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<blockquote data-quote="reanjr" data-source="post: 1793865" data-attributes="member: 20740">It really is easy for new players if it is presented correctly.&nbsp; I sat down and explained the entire system to two players who have only passing familiarity with D20 (one of them always forgets to add modifiers to his rolls; he is equally horrible at everything apparently).&nbsp; It took about 15 minutes and both people felt they had a better grasp of the system than they do of D&amp;D.I think you're taking somewhat of a reactionary standpoint.&nbsp; What is wrong with making it not D&amp;D?&nbsp; If you're changing rules, you're changing rules.&nbsp; Why stop because of some preconceived notion of what you are going for?I agree.&nbsp; Grappling is the most horrid atrocity of a subsystem I have seen in D&amp;D, excluding the critical hit tables from Combat &amp; Tactics.&nbsp; I prefer the old unwieldly table o' punches and wrestling from 2e over the insidious complexity of the 3e grappling rules.While I don't like playing with a battlemat, the easiest simplification to make is to remove movement-based AoOs.&nbsp; Leave them for things like spellcasting, missile combat, initiating special combat maneuvers (unarmed attack), etc.&nbsp;I agree.&nbsp; And there's really not a quick fix for this.&nbsp; In my system (which wouldn't work for D&amp;D, but it might give someone an idea), all abilities are in a hierarchy.&nbsp; This is reflected on the character sheet.&nbsp; You cannot gain more ranks in an ability than you have ranks in the parent ability.&nbsp; There are a few exceptions, but for the most part this sums up the entire system for prerequisites.</blockquote>I love the core mechanic.&nbsp; I even like most of the subsystems.&nbsp; I just find the systems to be too tightly coupled, while not benefiting from universal implementation (in programmer speak, the systems need to all implement the ID20 interface and should all be organized into the D20.DandD namespace and should all be fully encapsulated).&nbsp; Adding, removing, or changing any of them has vast repurcussions on a very complicated tangle of rules.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="reanjr, post: 1793865, member: 20740"] It really is easy for new players if it is presented correctly. I sat down and explained the entire system to two players who have only passing familiarity with D20 (one of them always forgets to add modifiers to his rolls; he is equally horrible at everything apparently). It took about 15 minutes and both people felt they had a better grasp of the system than they do of D&D. I think you're taking somewhat of a reactionary standpoint. What is wrong with making it not D&D? If you're changing rules, you're changing rules. Why stop because of some preconceived notion of what you are going for? I agree. Grappling is the most horrid atrocity of a subsystem I have seen in D&D, excluding the critical hit tables from Combat & Tactics. I prefer the old unwieldly table o' punches and wrestling from 2e over the insidious complexity of the 3e grappling rules. While I don't like playing with a battlemat, the easiest simplification to make is to remove movement-based AoOs. Leave them for things like spellcasting, missile combat, initiating special combat maneuvers (unarmed attack), etc. I agree. And there's really not a quick fix for this. In my system (which wouldn't work for D&D, but it might give someone an idea), all abilities are in a hierarchy. This is reflected on the character sheet. You cannot gain more ranks in an ability than you have ranks in the parent ability. There are a few exceptions, but for the most part this sums up the entire system for prerequisites. [/QUOTE] I love the core mechanic. I even like most of the subsystems. I just find the systems to be too tightly coupled, while not benefiting from universal implementation (in programmer speak, the systems need to all implement the ID20 interface and should all be organized into the D20.DandD namespace and should all be fully encapsulated). Adding, removing, or changing any of them has vast repurcussions on a very complicated tangle of rules. [/QUOTE]

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