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<blockquote data-quote="James Gasik" data-source="post: 8965122" data-attributes="member: 6877472">So here's the thing.&nbsp; There are players and DM's who want the equivalent of the Red Box.&nbsp; Maybe the Expert rules.There are players and DM's who want more depth and crunch to the game, to degrees ranging from AD&amp;D all the way to the intense pile of Legos that is 3e, to even the experimental design of 4e.The current iteration of D&amp;D is trying to offer the same game to all of these people at once, and doesn't ever bother to segregate things from one end of the spectrum from another.You can have a Champion Fighter in a party with an Echo Knight, a Knowledge Cleric tooling around with a Twilight Cleric.&nbsp; Some of these options are clearly just better than others, yet not once is there a warning label saying &quot;psst, hey, if your game is more like classic dungeon crawling, choose this.&nbsp; If it's a highly political game in a post-war magictech civilization, choose that.&quot;A less experienced DM will wonder what's going on when some of the characters at his table are just doing more than others.&nbsp; They might think that they are doing something wrong!The game should be designed with a simple base, and then you can tack on modules to adjust to the preferred level of play.&nbsp; But instead, even bog standard PHB spellcasters can break action economy, real economy, and all pillars of play in half unless the DM steps in; and the DMG doesn't tell you what to do if your players have figured out how to use Fabricate to jump start an industrial revolution, with factories of Simulacrum cloned craftsman toiling on assembly lines!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="James Gasik, post: 8965122, member: 6877472"] So here's the thing. There are players and DM's who want the equivalent of the Red Box. Maybe the Expert rules. There are players and DM's who want more depth and crunch to the game, to degrees ranging from AD&D all the way to the intense pile of Legos that is 3e, to even the experimental design of 4e. The current iteration of D&D is trying to offer the same game to all of these people at once, and doesn't ever bother to segregate things from one end of the spectrum from another. You can have a Champion Fighter in a party with an Echo Knight, a Knowledge Cleric tooling around with a Twilight Cleric. Some of these options are clearly just better than others, yet not once is there a warning label saying "psst, hey, if your game is more like classic dungeon crawling, choose [B]this[/B]. If it's a highly political game in a post-war magictech civilization, choose [B]that[/B]." A less experienced DM will wonder what's going on when some of the characters at his table are just [B]doing more [/B]than others. They might think that [B]they[/B] are doing something wrong! The game should be designed with a simple base, and then you can tack on modules to adjust to the preferred level of play. But instead, even bog standard PHB spellcasters can break action economy, real economy, and all pillars of play in half unless the DM steps in; and the DMG doesn't tell you what to do if your players have figured out how to use Fabricate to jump start an industrial revolution, with factories of Simulacrum cloned craftsman toiling on assembly lines! [/QUOTE]

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