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<blockquote data-quote="shurai" data-source="post: 1946546">When was the last time you had to cast a save-able 4d6 damage spell on the defensive at a spell-resistant character?&nbsp; Does turning undead provoke attacks of opportunity?&nbsp; Let's see, 2d6 plus cha, then a d20 check . . . uh, right.&nbsp; Bluff to sneak attack?&nbsp; Lemme see, my bluff vs. his sense motive, then the attack roll, uh, yeah.&nbsp; Remember how long it took each of us to figure out how attacks of opportunity works?&nbsp; Time to roll an attack . . .wait, he gets a 20% miss chance, is that before or after the attack roll?&nbsp; Wait, I threatened, better roll again.&nbsp; Now time to roll damage, which is 2d10+6+d6(fire)+2d8(spirited charge) . . . wait, does the spirited charge bonus get doubled too?&nbsp; Hang on, have to recalculate the damage bonus from strength, because I'm wielding two-handed this round.&nbsp; Whoops, forgot I was fighting defensively, I missed.&nbsp; Oh, forgot the flanking bonus, guess I hit after all.&nbsp; Has Bless worn off yet?&nbsp; That stacks with Bardic Music right?&nbsp; Oh yeah, it doesn't, because it doesn't stack unless they're dodge or circumstance bonuses, right?&nbsp; Or was it luck bonuses?&nbsp; When I cast Aid as a domain spell for the Good domain, does it count as a Good spell because that's not in the description.&nbsp; Nevermind, I'll just polymorph him into a frog.&nbsp; Oh, that's been erratta'd four times since Tuesday?&nbsp; Is that a Full Attack or a Partial Charge?I think those of us who still think d20 is simple need to get a grip . . . a [monkey] grip.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shurai, post: 1946546"] When was the last time you had to cast a save-able 4d6 damage spell on the defensive at a spell-resistant character? Does turning undead provoke attacks of opportunity? Let's see, 2d6 plus cha, then a d20 check . . . uh, right. Bluff to sneak attack? Lemme see, my bluff vs. his sense motive, then the attack roll, uh, yeah. Remember how long it took each of us to figure out how attacks of opportunity works? Time to roll an attack . . .wait, he gets a 20% miss chance, is that before or after the attack roll? Wait, I threatened, better roll again. Now time to roll damage, which is 2d10+6+d6(fire)+2d8(spirited charge) . . . wait, does the spirited charge bonus get doubled too? Hang on, have to recalculate the damage bonus from strength, because I'm wielding two-handed this round. Whoops, forgot I was fighting defensively, I missed. Oh, forgot the flanking bonus, guess I hit after all. Has [i]Bless[/i] worn off yet? That stacks with Bardic Music right? Oh yeah, it doesn't, because it doesn't stack unless they're dodge or circumstance bonuses, right? Or was it luck bonuses? When I cast Aid as a domain spell for the Good domain, does it count as a Good spell because that's not in the description. Nevermind, I'll just [i]polymorph[/i] him into a frog. Oh, that's been erratta'd four times since Tuesday? Is that a Full Attack or a Partial Charge? I think those of us who still think d20 is simple need to get a grip . . . a [monkey] grip. [/QUOTE]

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