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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Akrasia" data-source="post: 1948818" data-attributes="member: 23012">Well, I think d20 is reasonably simple -- but 3E D&D is not.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />   In any case, the proof is in the pudding: Unisystem is an example of a game that is 'completely consistent', covers all relevant situations that might arise during play, and yet is much faster to play (i.e. is more 'rules lite') than 3E D&D.  There really is no comparison.  I suspect that the same is true for C&C, but the complete rules have only just been released, so we will see.  (And, if C&C is not complete, well, at least I can import whatever is necessary from 3E...) For the record, I do enjoy playing 3E D&D, and have DMed two very successful campaigns using the system (one of which is just wrapping up now).  But as a DM -- due to a desire for a faster system (I am friggin' sick of slow combats, tracking multiple modifiers that might or might not stack, etc.), and one that requires less prep work -- I have been moving to other 'rules lite' systems.  I am still happy to be a player in a 3E campaign (at least with a DM who does not let things get too bogged down with modifiers, chess-like combat sessions, etc.), and will in fact be playing in a new one next month.  But as a GM, I find myself now preferring (vastly) C&C and Unisystem (C&C for my 'Ilmahal' fantasy game; Unisystem for my 'modern' games).  So I am not 'anti-3E' -- I just find that, for my goals as a GM, other comparatively 'rules lite' systems are more enjoyable.</blockquote>

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