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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 1763781" data-attributes="member: 4134">I did mention the overly complicated saves that didn't account for anyone's prowess and were illogical to boot. I did mention the overly complicated manner ability scores were handled (Str 16 will give you +x to attacks, +y if you are fighter, and 18 is really 18/01 trhough 18/00, but that only for medium characters. The benefits of Wis 16 is something completely different, and some ability scores start giving bonuses earlier and all that). And someone did mention the crappy way having more than one class was handled. Or the fact that humans did have nothing to make them interesting per se, so they limited other races in their choice of classes and the maximum level in these classes (which made no sense at all, and wasn't rally relevant, since most played lower levels).3e doesn't "hold your concept ransom till level x" You can play an assassin without taking the PrC. Ever. You don't even need to be a rogue for it (not all assassins sneak up on their pray and stab them in the back. Some just show up, obliterate the bodyguards, and cut down the quarry. Or let their fireball do the work).No, I know that labels don't matter.The spells help a character who wants to be an assassin, so the guild teaches magic. The 3e Assassin as it is in the DMG is really a raw version that's supposed to be flavoured by the DM and put into his campaign world, say "Drow Assassin of the Dark Dagger".And Entreri wouldn't need a level of assassin, anyway. He is, rules-wise, a fighter/rogue, for he not only backstabs people, sometimes he just cuts them down in a straight-up fight.Disclaimer: If you need a word with a capital in the "class" line of cour character sheet, you should really stick to the most basic concepts, namely "priest" "fighter" "thief" "wizard". Play these, look others gaming, and then, when you have some experience in roleplaying, think about playing some of the more challenging concepts!Mine does cater to the latter kind of player - they can play their Barbarian or Wizard. And they should keep their hands away from assassins, for that is more than just attack people and then get more money than just what they had on their corpses. Though, to be honest, I want those players who need to have their concept written down in the class line play Diablo instead. Even when one of us thinks about playing a hyper-stereotyped character, they know they can write whatever they want on their character sheet (one of my characters has written "Spymaster" on the sheet. Everyone who knew of his powers - and that doesn't include the other characters yet - would agree that he/she is a spymaster)When we're talking about all that. What ability would you like your Assassin to have?</blockquote>

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