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<blockquote data-quote="Sm!rk" data-source="post: 420182" data-attributes="member: 6467">Yeah, big picture though you have X developers and unless its a truelly internal use only app, you will have X+N users. As N goes up your tradeoff for development time versus user run time starts to become a bad choice.This same concept applies to Java as well but at its heart it is a better bargin since you get cross platform use without doubling development time. But as with VB the Java argument without using an ideal world equates to the same loss eventually, there aren't that many people using anything but Windows.For example if pcgen takes 10 more seconds to load versus the same program implemented in C++, and if it has 10000 users that run it 10 times a month, you have just wasted a million seconds of people's time in a month which eqautes to about one 5 day, 8 hour a day work week. And what was saved in development time? Looking at the life of pcgen this amounts to about 6 months of normal work weeks spent only on waiting for the program to launch.These are educated guesses, I'm sure pcgen had less users 2 years ago, but I also think it is slower than just 10 seconds in normal use.One other thing though, its not all bad, it takes much longer to build characters by hand, this is just an argument about running time versus development timeAnother thing, there are far more tradeoffs with using VB than just speed. But if you know C++ and VB you are well aware of these tradeoffs. VB is like candy, might be good for a brief spurt of energy, but if you are doing real work you better get a sandwich.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sm!rk, post: 420182, member: 6467"] Yeah, big picture though you have X developers and unless its a truelly internal use only app, you will have X+N users. As N goes up your tradeoff for development time versus user run time starts to become a bad choice. This same concept applies to Java as well but at its heart it is a better bargin since you get cross platform use without doubling development time. But as with VB the Java argument without using an ideal world equates to the same loss eventually, there aren't that many people using anything but Windows. For example if pcgen takes 10 more seconds to load versus the same program implemented in C++, and if it has 10000 users that run it 10 times a month, you have just wasted a million seconds of people's time in a month which eqautes to about one 5 day, 8 hour a day work week. And what was saved in development time? Looking at the life of pcgen this amounts to about 6 months of normal work weeks spent only on waiting for the program to launch. These are educated guesses, I'm sure pcgen had less users 2 years ago, but I also think it is slower than just 10 seconds in normal use. One other thing though, its not all bad, it takes much longer to build characters by hand, this is just an argument about running time versus development time Another thing, there are far more tradeoffs with using VB than just speed. But if you know C++ and VB you are well aware of these tradeoffs. VB is like candy, might be good for a brief spurt of energy, but if you are doing real work you better get a sandwich. [/QUOTE]

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