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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 2906923" data-attributes="member: 19675">I realize we’re limiting our conclusions, but we don’t have much choice.If we include feats, we have to test a wide variety of builds.  Is the Str monk better off with Power Attack?  If so, should he follow with the Cleave feats?  Leaping feat?  Sunder?Should he be a grappler?Would he be better off with 4 levels of Ftr to boost his BAB, HD, and get Weapon Specialization?Is a monk better off taking Wild Talent to get access to Psionic Feats, like the tree that gets your melee attack resolved as a touch attack?Do you expand the available feat list to Dragon Magazine/DCv1 feats?  Green Ronin Feats?  AEG?  Mongoose?Then once you’ve decided on the Feat list…you also have to consider them for NPCs the builds are tested against.  A fighter who routinely uses Power Attack with a Halbard could look a lot like a Trog in terms of stats...but if he’s got a 2 Bladed Sword and 2WF?Then there’s the consideration of low level buff spells…or how Magic Missile moots the Dex Monk’s advantage completely…or how Sleep moots any non-Elven monk’s attack.I don’t think anyone REALLY has the time or inclination to consider ALL of the relevant variables.Heck- we haven’t even considered the effect of something as simple as the variable of initiative!  The Dex monk is more likely to get simultaneous or prior initiative on his foes than his Str monk compadre, and doing damage first can definitely have an effect.  I’m not going to crunch numbers, but I’d be surprised if the both monks always had initiative over his foes, the ability of the Str monk to do more damage than the Dex monk didn’t prove to be the deciding factor between the builds 99% of the time.  If he can drop a foe before the Dex monk, he cuts the expected damage/round, and lives that much longer.Except that any item a Dex monk would take to boost Str could be acquired by a Str monk- its a wash.  The only stat changes that matter are those inherent to the PC.Thus, the only real difference in Dex/Str progressions will occur as the 2 PCs level up- the Dex monk will likely continue to stress his Dex advantage, the Str Monk his Str.  One will boost his damage production, the other his AC and Initiative mods.</blockquote>

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