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<blockquote data-quote="CountPopeula" data-source="post: 5266476" data-attributes="member: 27250">I think that a lot of the arguing just comes from people having differing definitions on what a &quot;revision/new edition/whatever term we're using&quot; means. To a lot of people, it means &quot;everything that came before this is obsolete.&quot; To some people it doesn't.And I think the implication with the whole &quot;I heard this from some guy on the internet&quot; thing about the original core books being discontinued is that that the older builds for the classes are now disallowed or somehow mechanically broken against the revised rules. The fact of the matter is that there's a mad number of options for the classes in the PHB1. A quick count of level 1 fighter at-wills gave me 16, of which a given fighter can know 2, or 3 if he's human. At some point the focus should move away from them a little bit and on to new classes.I really think we'd have had a lot less of this &quot;OMG 4.5!&quot; stuff if the classes in Essentials just had new names. Of course the way they did it, they get new classes and some of the powers are available to the old ones, so established players have more incentive to buy it. It looks like Arcane and Divine classes will get the most use, since they're going to have a whole slew of powers the PHB classes can use, while Martial characters will seemingly just get new utilities.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CountPopeula, post: 5266476, member: 27250"] I think that a lot of the arguing just comes from people having differing definitions on what a "revision/new edition/whatever term we're using" means. To a lot of people, it means "everything that came before this is obsolete." To some people it doesn't. And I think the implication with the whole "I heard this from some guy on the internet" thing about the original core books being discontinued is that that the older builds for the classes are now disallowed or somehow mechanically broken against the revised rules. The fact of the matter is that there's a mad number of options for the classes in the PHB1. A quick count of level 1 fighter at-wills gave me 16, of which a given fighter can know 2, or 3 if he's human. At some point the focus should move away from them a little bit and on to new classes. I really think we'd have had a lot less of this "OMG 4.5!" stuff if the classes in Essentials just had new names. Of course the way they did it, they get new classes and some of the powers are available to the old ones, so established players have more incentive to buy it. It looks like Arcane and Divine classes will get the most use, since they're going to have a whole slew of powers the PHB classes can use, while Martial characters will seemingly just get new utilities. [/QUOTE]

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