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<blockquote data-quote="IronWolf" data-source="post: 5268812" data-attributes="member: 21076">I think you are putting things on Tony Vargas' post that aren't there.&nbsp; I don't see him begrudging WotC an opportunity to make money or even a hate for corporate america.&nbsp; I don't even see him making it seem like he is entitled to a free book or that he has been wronged by WotC.While I don't agree with each statement (I suspect 4e has sold reasonably well) and some parts are dramatized for effect, I think he's just trying to shine light on the fact that to sell this as a revision would be a mistake for WotC to do - even if it is a revision.&nbsp; He's pretty much pointing out that Marketing departments are paid to spin product releases in a manner such that the most number of people will want to buy them and at the same time alienate as few people as possible.The important thing in all of this and what seems to be getting lost - whether Essentials is a revision or not - is what do you think of Essentials?&nbsp; So many people seem to be lost in the argument of &quot;it is a revision&quot; or &quot;it isn't a revision&quot; that people are forgetting what matters - what do you think of the changes in Essentials?I don't see his post as trying to say WotC is trying to screw customers.&nbsp; He's just trying to point out that marketing will paint the picture they want to paint.&nbsp; That's what companies do.&nbsp; I think the discussion should instead focus on 4e Essentials and what it brings to the table instead of WotC's marketing campaign which is largely irrelevant to the quality of the product.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="IronWolf, post: 5268812, member: 21076"] I think you are putting things on Tony Vargas' post that aren't there. I don't see him begrudging WotC an opportunity to make money or even a hate for corporate america. I don't even see him making it seem like he is entitled to a free book or that he has been wronged by WotC. While I don't agree with each statement (I suspect 4e has sold reasonably well) and some parts are dramatized for effect, I think he's just trying to shine light on the fact that to sell this as a revision would be a mistake for WotC to do - even if it [b][i]is[/i][/b] a revision. He's pretty much pointing out that Marketing departments are paid to spin product releases in a manner such that the most number of people will want to buy them and at the same time alienate as few people as possible. The important thing in all of this and what seems to be getting lost - whether Essentials is a revision or not - is what do you think of Essentials? So many people seem to be lost in the argument of "it is a revision" or "it isn't a revision" that people are forgetting what matters - what do you think of the changes in Essentials? I don't see his post as trying to say WotC [b][i]is[/i][/b] trying to screw customers. He's just trying to point out that marketing will paint the picture they want to paint. That's what companies do. I think the discussion should instead focus on 4e Essentials and what it brings to the table instead of WotC's marketing campaign which is largely irrelevant to the quality of the product. [/QUOTE]

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