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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5270874" data-attributes="member: 996">Of course it wasn't.&nbsp; The archer-warlord didn't functionally replace an existing build, it just expanded what you could do with a Warlord. The Warpriest isn't like that. It's a melee-oriented, weapon-using Cleric.&nbsp; It's functionally the same as the STR Cleric build in the PH.&nbsp; But, it uses WIS, making all the WIS-build material available to it.&nbsp; Besides, hasn't it as much as been admitted that the split-Primay design is something they regret and want to get away from? The shared elements are the name of the class, meaning a feat that has a preq of 'Fighter,' but not a preq of any Fighter or Knight class feature can be taken by either.&nbsp; That's not a lot of feats.&nbsp; The Knight also gets utilities, so Fighter and Knight utilities can be swapped for eachother.&nbsp; That's pretty limitted compatibility.&nbsp; More to the point, the Knight is an alternative to the Weapon &amp; Shield 'Defender' Fighter build.&nbsp; They both use weapon &amp; shield, and are primarily about focusing on the defender role, afterall.&nbsp; Any concept one could do, the other could, too.&nbsp; It's not a new build, so much as an alternate build.&nbsp; When you pick up Martial Power 2, you get the option to play a brawling-oriented fighter, something you couldn't really do before.&nbsp; When you pick up Essentials, you get the option to play a defender-focused, weapon &amp; shield fighter, something you've already been able to do.&nbsp; The Archer-Warlord and Brawling Fighter are builds that expand what you can do with a class, new builds that do something you couldn't before.&nbsp; The Warpriest and Knights are alternative builds, mechanically different ways of handling concepts you could already do with existing builds. Thus, the STR Cleric is 'orphaned,' and either the Shield Fighter or the Knight will emerge as the more desireable way of handling a weapon-and-shield-style martial defender.Similarly, the 'Slayer' will presumably be a direct alternative to the PH Greatweapon Fighter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5270874, member: 996"] Of course it wasn't. The archer-warlord didn't functionally replace an existing build, it just expanded what you could do with a Warlord. The Warpriest isn't like that. It's a melee-oriented, weapon-using Cleric. It's functionally the same as the STR Cleric build in the PH. But, it uses WIS, making all the WIS-build material available to it. Besides, hasn't it as much as been admitted that the split-Primay design is something they regret and want to get away from? The shared elements are the name of the class, meaning a feat that has a preq of 'Fighter,' but not a preq of any Fighter or Knight class feature can be taken by either. That's not a lot of feats. The Knight also gets utilities, so Fighter and Knight utilities can be swapped for eachother. That's pretty limitted compatibility. More to the point, the Knight is an alternative to the Weapon & Shield 'Defender' Fighter build. They both use weapon & shield, and are primarily about focusing on the defender role, afterall. Any concept one could do, the other could, too. It's not a new build, so much as an alternate build. When you pick up Martial Power 2, you get the option to play a brawling-oriented fighter, something you couldn't really do before. When you pick up Essentials, you get the option to play a defender-focused, weapon & shield fighter, something you've already been able to do. The Archer-Warlord and Brawling Fighter are builds that expand what you can do with a class, new builds that do something you couldn't before. The Warpriest and Knights are alternative builds, mechanically different ways of handling concepts you could already do with existing builds. Thus, the STR Cleric is 'orphaned,' and either the Shield Fighter or the Knight will emerge as the more desireable way of handling a weapon-and-shield-style martial defender. Similarly, the 'Slayer' will presumably be a direct alternative to the PH Greatweapon Fighter. [/QUOTE]

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