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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Twinbladez" data-source="post: 4303388" data-attributes="member: 61723">((This post is my attempt to relate my thoughts on Sklill challenges to people of greater intelligence than I, so I apologise if this makes no sense <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />))I think this idea of No action bieng better than a failure stems from the skill challenges base premise:To me that is to: Create a non combat encoutner than can be tuned like a combat encounter, thereby LOot and experience can be easially assigned in a logical fasion for the challenge the players face.The problem is that a great Part of the challenge of combat is intellectual, wheras skill challenges cannot have that.What I mean by this is bext explained by a combat analogue to skill challanges"Roll to hit If you beat the AC of the monster you deal X damage, if you miss it counters dealing X damage, It has Y HP, you have Y/2"That is on the most basic a skill challenge, whereby you have to gain twice the amount of sucesses before failures"The problem that Is faced by Wizards is based on their intention to make skill challenges just as challenged, in my opinion.In Combat you have to factor:Position of all forces, abilities available, Terrain, distribution of actions, Force's current Defences and HP.This puts most of the challenge on thinking and application of the tools,  as for a given level the Rolling should balance out.In a Skill challnge you have to factor"Current number of Sucesses Vs Failures, Skills available and applicable to the encounter, ability to aid another"All of the true challenge in the Skill challenge is weighted towards Rolling, and therefore if numbers are not on your side, clever application does not matter.Now what Did I spend the last 10 minutes of writing trying to prove, Simply this:Skill challenges by defenition are too simple for their intended purpose, and will in their current form be heavially weighted towards bonus' and ability to roll, making the fear of failure greater than the fear of inaction.Beaten to the punch by WyzardWhately</blockquote>

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