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<blockquote data-quote="Gentlegamer" data-source="post: 3265510" data-attributes="member: 2425"><p>Firstly, I disagree that Legolas is a Ranger by D&D terms. In LOTR, the tracking is done by Aragorn, who is explicitly a ranger.</p><p></p><p>Skill with bow: +1 to hit with a bow is a fine bonus to represent Legolas's skill in AD&D. No, there weren't cool tactical feats for him to use, but AD&D doesn't use tactical combat. If that +1 is insufficient, add Bow Specialization from UA (or even double specialization).</p><p></p><p>Sneaking: party full of elves or alone . . . seems fine to me. Human fighters can't do this . . .</p><p></p><p>You were "asking" to emulate Legolas. I'm trying to show that you don't need to be an elven Ranger to do that in the first place. </p><p></p><p>I'll leave aside the truthfulness of whether the elven ranger is a "pretty basic fantasy" character. I'll just say almost all non-Tolkien inspired fantasy doesn't have such characters (usually only human protagonists).</p><p></p><p>The ranger in the default AD&D setting was conceived of as a human profession, thus an elven ranger is "non-standard" by the PHB. It wouldn't "break the game" for such a character to be played, though.</p><p>Once again with the doomsday imagery! Your first statement is undermined by your second. </p><p></p><p>I think I've amply pointed out that emulating Legolas can be done well within the rules of AD&D with no fudging at all. If you're stuck on Legolas being a ranger, there's really nothing else I can say.</p><p>I thought we were talking about Legolas (whom I don't consider a Ranger at all).</p><p>Based on your characterizations of player-DM interactions and the rules, I think you really ought to do some self-examination. You really do seem to view such matters as adversarial and not co-operative.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gentlegamer, post: 3265510, member: 2425"] Firstly, I disagree that Legolas is a Ranger by D&D terms. In LOTR, the tracking is done by Aragorn, who is explicitly a ranger. Skill with bow: +1 to hit with a bow is a fine bonus to represent Legolas's skill in AD&D. No, there weren't cool tactical feats for him to use, but AD&D doesn't use tactical combat. If that +1 is insufficient, add Bow Specialization from UA (or even double specialization). Sneaking: party full of elves or alone . . . seems fine to me. Human fighters can't do this . . . You were "asking" to emulate Legolas. I'm trying to show that you don't need to be an elven Ranger to do that in the first place. I'll leave aside the truthfulness of whether the elven ranger is a "pretty basic fantasy" character. I'll just say almost all non-Tolkien inspired fantasy doesn't have such characters (usually only human protagonists). The ranger in the default AD&D setting was conceived of as a human profession, thus an elven ranger is "non-standard" by the PHB. It wouldn't "break the game" for such a character to be played, though. Once again with the doomsday imagery! Your first statement is undermined by your second. I think I've amply pointed out that emulating Legolas can be done well within the rules of AD&D with no fudging at all. If you're stuck on Legolas being a ranger, there's really nothing else I can say. I thought we were talking about Legolas (whom I don't consider a Ranger at all). Based on your characterizations of player-DM interactions and the rules, I think you really ought to do some self-examination. You really do seem to view such matters as adversarial and not co-operative. [/QUOTE]
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