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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 5860337" data-attributes="member: 67338">I don't think this IS 5e, but as a thought, think about the flater math when you getless then 1/2 the attack and defense bonse.example:Take a rogue with a 16AC 13 Fort  16 Ref 14 Will and +7 Vs AC dagger attack at 1st levelIf level 11 and 21 is +1 all 6 stats, and Cha and Dex go up at 4,8,14,18,24,28, and a +6 armor, Neck and Weapon... well then at level 30 you get: 26 AC  21 Fort 26 Ref 24 Will +17 Vs AC dagger attack.Lets imagin a Level 5 Orc 18 AC Fort 16 Ref 14 Will 13 and a +7 Vs AC great axe attack is pretty deadly but playble at level 1-5, but even at level 30 hits the PC on a 19, and is only missed on a 1... but even at level 30 it would almost be a monster you can use, and  twenty soemthing levels of usable monsters sounds good.</blockquote>