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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 2425276" data-attributes="member: 5724">I woudln't call a single action/reaction a pattern. I've always viewed a pattern as several different actions/reactions that share similiar traits. What I'm saying with my magic concept is that you can't use X than Y knowledge to extrapolate anything else except X than Y.I'm saying there can't be a model because there is no relation between disparate actions. The only model that can exist is X than Y. That's not physics. That just a statement. There is no more than one action/reaction and one action/reaction is not a system nor a model nor predictive of anything but one relationship. In otherworlds, the knowledge is useless.But again, just because X causes Y doesn't mean that knowledge is worth beans in relation to anything else in the system I described. The existance of one repeatable action/reaction doesn't mean there must be a pattern. In our real world, it does, but our real world is based on patterns as the causal force. A magical world could exist without using patterns as causal forces because I can simply say "This world uses magic without any patterns existing" and *poof* it's true, because its magic and it doesn't have to follow "real rules." If your argument is that physics is any belief system that describes matter and/or energy regardless of testable accuracy in the current day I can't refute it. However, physics as in "the science" is what I've been talking about. I understand there are other ways to describe action/reaction and some have utility, but none have ever been as accurate or as predictive as physics the science. I have to call the others beliefs. This isn't a denigration, but If i wan't an automobile to move, I had best use current physics and not Aristotialian or Taoist physics.To me a pattern isn't made through one connection. Its made through multiple connections that share similiar traits. I'm postulating a situation where all connections (all spells) share no traits with any others, but still function for their single purpose. I don't think a "physics of magic" (as described above physics as science, not belief system) could occur in such a situation because there's no way to link anything to anything else—no way to make any predictive statements except when "casting fireball" than "fireball".Things always go better when discussed in person. Truce. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />joe b.</blockquote>

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