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<blockquote data-quote="ValhallaGH" data-source="post: 3114516" data-attributes="member: 41187">Either bonus wounds/stun or increased DR Save.&nbsp; Bonus wound/stun seems the most logical to me but also the most difficult to balance.I'm with you on the Improved Toughness.&nbsp; That exists to make up for how sucktastic Toughness is.If Toughness gave +1 wounds then it would be pretty great; that's like going up one hit die type.&nbsp; If it gave +3 wounds then it would be amazing; that's like going up three hit die types.If it gave +1 DR Save then it would be like getting another +1 on your armor, which would be solid without being so good that everyone must have it.&nbsp; You could increase that further (per feat) but going past +2 is probably too good, especially with being able to take it multiple times.&quot;My Fighter took Toughness six times.&nbsp; It's like he's got an extra suit of banded mail under his clothes.&quot;versus&quot;My Fither took Toughness six times.&nbsp; It's like he's an Ancient Dragon in +5 full plate.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ValhallaGH, post: 3114516, member: 41187"] Either bonus wounds/stun or increased DR Save. Bonus wound/stun seems the most logical to me but also the most difficult to balance. I'm with you on the Improved Toughness. That exists to make up for how sucktastic Toughness is. If Toughness gave +1 wounds then it would be pretty great; that's like going up one hit die type. If it gave +3 wounds then it would be amazing; that's like going up three hit die types. If it gave +1 DR Save then it would be like getting another +1 on your armor, which would be solid without being so good that everyone [b]must[/b] have it. You could increase that further (per feat) but going past +2 is probably too good, especially with being able to take it multiple times. "My Fighter took Toughness six times. It's like he's got an extra suit of banded mail under his clothes." versus "My Fither took Toughness six times. It's like he's an Ancient Dragon in +5 full plate." [/QUOTE]

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