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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7791337" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>[USER=40552]@Quartz[/USER]</p><p>I want to explain why everyone is asking for you to provide the source of the bonus action. Hopefully then you can understand why we need your help understanding your position. So here I go:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Bonus Actions: <em>"<u>You can take a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> only when a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special" target="_blank">Special</a> ability, spell, or other feature of the game states that you can do something as a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>. You otherwise <strong>don’t have a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> to take</strong></u>. "</em> So you do not normally get a bonus action, it has to be granted to you. That is important. There has to be a source that grants you the bonus action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">One source of bonus actions available to the ranger is two-weapon fighting. However, in the OP you stated you are using the Dueling Fighting Style: "<em><u>When you are wielding a melee weapon in one hand and <strong>no other </strong><a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Weapons" target="_blank"><strong>Weapons</strong></a>, you gain a +2 bonus to <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Damage%20and%20Healing#h-Damage%20Rolls" target="_blank">Damage Rolls</a> with that weapon</u></em><u>.</u> " So this doesn't allow a second weapon and thus no off-hand damage from a bonus action.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Another source available to the ranger is bonus actions spells. However, in the OP you stated that Hunter's Mark is always on. Hunter's Mark is a concentration spell and all other ranger bonus action spells are also concentration spells. So if you use one, you have to drop Hunter's Mark, a major source of damage for this build. Not to mention loosing a bonus action every time you need to mark another creature.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The only other method I can think for a ranger to get bonus action attacks is from a 3rd party (teammate or magic item) to be the source. However, if this is the case, it would also equally apply to the fighter. The battle master can put all of his/her maneuver resources into reactions and free up all there bonus actions for this 3rd party source. Thus, it would be a wash (or nearly so, the more combats and rounds make it more likely it would be a wash).</li> </ol><p>Does that explain our issue? The major sources of bonus action damage are not available to the build in the OP that we have been using. Furthermore, the remaining available sources of bonus action damage are equally available to the ranger and the fighter making it a wash. So, if you have another reason why the ranger, and only the ranger, should get bonus action damage in this comparison, please let us know.</p><p></p><p>Thank you for your time and help!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7791337, member: 83242"] [USER=40552]@Quartz[/USER] I want to explain why everyone is asking for you to provide the source of the bonus action. Hopefully then you can understand why we need your help understanding your position. So here I go: [LIST=1] [*]Bonus Actions: [I]"[U]You can take a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] only when a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special']Special[/URL] ability, spell, or other feature of the game states that you can do something as a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]. You otherwise [B]don’t have a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] to take[/B][/U]. "[/I] So you do not normally get a bonus action, it has to be granted to you. That is important. There has to be a source that grants you the bonus action. [*]One source of bonus actions available to the ranger is two-weapon fighting. However, in the OP you stated you are using the Dueling Fighting Style: "[I][U]When you are wielding a melee weapon in one hand and [B]no other [/B][URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Weapons'][B]Weapons[/B][/URL], you gain a +2 bonus to [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Damage%20and%20Healing#h-Damage%20Rolls']Damage Rolls[/URL] with that weapon[/U][/I][U].[/U] " So this doesn't allow a second weapon and thus no off-hand damage from a bonus action. [*]Another source available to the ranger is bonus actions spells. However, in the OP you stated that Hunter's Mark is always on. Hunter's Mark is a concentration spell and all other ranger bonus action spells are also concentration spells. So if you use one, you have to drop Hunter's Mark, a major source of damage for this build. Not to mention loosing a bonus action every time you need to mark another creature. [*]The only other method I can think for a ranger to get bonus action attacks is from a 3rd party (teammate or magic item) to be the source. However, if this is the case, it would also equally apply to the fighter. The battle master can put all of his/her maneuver resources into reactions and free up all there bonus actions for this 3rd party source. Thus, it would be a wash (or nearly so, the more combats and rounds make it more likely it would be a wash). [/LIST] Does that explain our issue? The major sources of bonus action damage are not available to the build in the OP that we have been using. Furthermore, the remaining available sources of bonus action damage are equally available to the ranger and the fighter making it a wash. So, if you have another reason why the ranger, and only the ranger, should get bonus action damage in this comparison, please let us know. Thank you for your time and help! [/QUOTE]
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