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<blockquote data-quote="dave2008" data-source="post: 7792757" data-attributes="member: 83242"><p>[USER=40552]@Quartz[/USER] I am going to assume one last time that you are trying to be honest and discuss fighter/ranger/paladin damage in good faith. As such, please review and respond to the following simple questions so that we can all be discussing the same things. So we are comparing apples to apples. Here we go!</p><p></p><p>First a few questions about your OP. Here it is if you need to review: [spoiler][ATTACH=full]113319[/ATTACH] [/spoiler]</p><p></p><p>Quartz, did you in the OP choose the "Dueling (Fighting) Style?"</p><p></p><p>Quartz, did you in the OP state "No feats?"</p><p></p><p>Quartz, did you in the OP assume Hunter's Mark is always active?</p><p></p><p>Quartz, do you agree that if you are using the Dueling Fighting Style you cannot use TWF to get a bonus action attack. Relevant rules: </p><p>Dueling Fighting Style [spoiler]When you are wielding a melee weapon in one hand <strong>and no other </strong><a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Weapons" target="_blank"><strong>Weapons</strong></a>, you gain a +2 bonus to <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Damage%20and%20Healing#h-Damage%20Rolls" target="_blank">Damage Rolls</a> with that weapon. [/spoiler] ; TWF (general)[spoiler]When you take the <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack" target="_blank">Attack</a> action and <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack" target="_blank">Attack</a> with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank"><strong>Bonus Action</strong></a> to <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack" target="_blank">Attack</a> with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand. You don’t add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack" target="_blank">Attack</a>, unless that modifier is negative. [/spoiler]; Bonus Action [spoiler]</p><p>Various <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Character%20Advancement#h-Class%20Features" target="_blank">Class Features</a>, <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Spells#h-Spells" target="_blank">Spells</a>, and other <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Sentient%20Magic%20Items#h-Abilities" target="_blank">Abilities</a> let you take an additional action on <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn" target="_blank">Your Turn</a> called a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>. The <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Rogue#h-Cunning%20Action" target="_blank">Cunning Action</a> feature, for example, allows a rogue to take a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>. <strong>You can take a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> only when a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special" target="_blank">Special</a> ability, spell, or other feature of the game states that you can do something as a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>. You otherwise don’t have a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> to take.</strong></p><p>You can take only one <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> on <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn" target="_blank">Your Turn</a>, so you must choose which <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>to use when you have more than one available.</p><p>You choose when to take a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a> during <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn" target="_blank">Your Turn</a>, unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Tiny%20Servant#h-Actions" target="_blank">Actions</a> also prevents you from taking a <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action" target="_blank">Bonus Action</a>.</p><p>[/spoiler] ; TWF ranger fighting style [spoiler] When you engage in two-weapon fighting, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of the second <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Combat#h-Attack" target="_blank">Attack</a>. [/spoiler] If no, please provide an example.</p><p></p><p>Quartz, do you agree that if you are using the Dueling Fighting Style, and you are not using feats, you cannot get a bonus action attack? If no, please provide an example assumes a ranger with Dueling Fighting Style and not feats.</p><p></p><p>Quartz, was it a mistake that you applied bonus damage to a Dueling Fighting Style ranger with no feats?</p><p></p><p>Quartz, would you like to revise the discussion to a ranger with the Two-Weapon Fighting Style?</p><p></p><p>That is all for now. Thank you for your time and help.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dave2008, post: 7792757, member: 83242"] [USER=40552]@Quartz[/USER] I am going to assume one last time that you are trying to be honest and discuss fighter/ranger/paladin damage in good faith. As such, please review and respond to the following simple questions so that we can all be discussing the same things. So we are comparing apples to apples. Here we go! First a few questions about your OP. Here it is if you need to review: [spoiler][ATTACH type="full" alt="Quartz_Damage_OP.JPG"]113319[/ATTACH] [/spoiler] Quartz, did you in the OP choose the "Dueling (Fighting) Style?" Quartz, did you in the OP state "No feats?" Quartz, did you in the OP assume Hunter's Mark is always active? Quartz, do you agree that if you are using the Dueling Fighting Style you cannot use TWF to get a bonus action attack. Relevant rules: Dueling Fighting Style [spoiler]When you are wielding a melee weapon in one hand [B]and no other [/B][URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Weapons'][B]Weapons[/B][/URL], you gain a +2 bonus to [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Damage%20and%20Healing#h-Damage%20Rolls']Damage Rolls[/URL] with that weapon. [/spoiler] ; TWF (general)[spoiler]When you take the [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack']Attack[/URL] action and [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack']Attack[/URL] with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action'][B]Bonus Action[/B][/URL] to [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack']Attack[/URL] with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand. You don’t add your ability modifier to the damage of the bonus [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Actions%20in%20Combat#h-Attack']Attack[/URL], unless that modifier is negative. [/spoiler]; Bonus Action [spoiler] Various [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Character%20Advancement#h-Class%20Features']Class Features[/URL], [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Spells#h-Spells']Spells[/URL], and other [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Sentient%20Magic%20Items#h-Abilities']Abilities[/URL] let you take an additional action on [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn']Your Turn[/URL] called a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]. The [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Rogue#h-Cunning%20Action']Cunning Action[/URL] feature, for example, allows a rogue to take a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]. [B]You can take a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] only when a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special']Special[/URL] ability, spell, or other feature of the game states that you can do something as a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]. You otherwise don’t have a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] to take.[/B] You can take only one [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] on [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn']Your Turn[/URL], so you must choose which [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]to use when you have more than one available. You choose when to take a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL] during [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/The%20Order%20of%20Combat#h-Your%20Turn']Your Turn[/URL], unless the bonus action’s timing is specified, and anything that deprives you of your ability to take [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Tiny%20Servant#h-Actions']Actions[/URL] also prevents you from taking a [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Casting%20a%20Spell#h-Bonus%20Action']Bonus Action[/URL]. [/spoiler] ; TWF ranger fighting style [spoiler] When you engage in two-weapon fighting, you can add your ability modifier to the damage of the second [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Combat#h-Attack']Attack[/URL]. [/spoiler] If no, please provide an example. Quartz, do you agree that if you are using the Dueling Fighting Style, and you are not using feats, you cannot get a bonus action attack? If no, please provide an example assumes a ranger with Dueling Fighting Style and not feats. Quartz, was it a mistake that you applied bonus damage to a Dueling Fighting Style ranger with no feats? Quartz, would you like to revise the discussion to a ranger with the Two-Weapon Fighting Style? That is all for now. Thank you for your time and help. [/QUOTE]
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