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<blockquote data-quote="scott2978" data-source="post: 5815344" data-attributes="member: 6667922"><p>Hey guys thanks for all the great feedback. </p><p></p><p>IF I were to approach this from a tactical, rulesy perspective, here's what I'd say:</p><p></p><p>I've decided that the idea has the following problems:</p><p>Can't teleport inside another creature. </p><p>Can't cast spells while swallowed due to verbal, somatic and material components.</p><p>Can't summon creatures into another creature.</p><p>Can't breathe inside a dragon. </p><p></p><p>I've also identified some other minor issues:</p><p>Dragon acid stomach</p><p>Dragon healing</p><p></p><p>The dragon healing itself really isn't an issue, as it can only heal itself for so long before it runs out of spells/potions/wands. Besides it's an evil dragon! How much healing magic can he keep around before it just seems paranoid! </p><p></p><p>The acid inside the dragon (it's a black dragon) isn't a problem because I can cast resist and protect before going in. </p><p></p><p>I can get around teleporting by being swallowed as said fish. </p><p></p><p>I can get around casting spells (and summoning issuea) by using weapons instead of spells. </p><p></p><p>So I buff up, transform into a fish, get swallowed, dismiss the transformation (which is a standard action that does not require a concentration check or any components), and start attacking. According to rules, when you are swallowed, natural armor of the swallower does not apply to attacks from within. That makes a dragon incredibly easy to hit from the inside. Also a dragon of this age has little, if any DR. Since I'm a druid, I Wild Shape while inside the dragon into a form that is at least one size smaller than the dragon (ie: medium) and has a lot of natural attacks. Like a cat, or a dinosaur - or a crocodile, that can hold it's breath twice as long as normal. Since you can only use light weapons while grappled, this is perfect because all natural weapons are considered light weapons. I figure it won't take long hacking and slashing from within before my dragon problem will go away.</p><p></p><p>If I was to approach it from a more "fun" oriented way, I'd just do it the way I described before, but with the caveat that this is a one-time deal just for fun and totally up to the DM discretion, though a new and totally different crazy cool idea in the future might work if the DM clears it. </p><p></p><p>In the end what I decided was that to get the most out of this I needed the DM to buy into it, sort of making him a part of the idea and working it into the story with his help. I've talked to him about it and the session will happen tomorrow. I'm usually the DM of the group, so I understand the whole thing about making a habit of doing silly stunts. My first suggestion was that if he wanted a climactic battle, then perhaps after the dragon is dead, the dragon's master appears to settle the score. Or maybe the dragon's minions attack, attempting greater glory as the slayer of the slayer, or to get the dragon's hoard from the PC's. We'll see how it plays out and I'll post the results here. </p><p></p><p>Thanks again for the constructive feedback.</p><p></p><p>Scott</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="scott2978, post: 5815344, member: 6667922"] Hey guys thanks for all the great feedback. IF I were to approach this from a tactical, rulesy perspective, here's what I'd say: I've decided that the idea has the following problems: Can't teleport inside another creature. Can't cast spells while swallowed due to verbal, somatic and material components. Can't summon creatures into another creature. Can't breathe inside a dragon. I've also identified some other minor issues: Dragon acid stomach Dragon healing The dragon healing itself really isn't an issue, as it can only heal itself for so long before it runs out of spells/potions/wands. Besides it's an evil dragon! How much healing magic can he keep around before it just seems paranoid! The acid inside the dragon (it's a black dragon) isn't a problem because I can cast resist and protect before going in. I can get around teleporting by being swallowed as said fish. I can get around casting spells (and summoning issuea) by using weapons instead of spells. So I buff up, transform into a fish, get swallowed, dismiss the transformation (which is a standard action that does not require a concentration check or any components), and start attacking. According to rules, when you are swallowed, natural armor of the swallower does not apply to attacks from within. That makes a dragon incredibly easy to hit from the inside. Also a dragon of this age has little, if any DR. Since I'm a druid, I Wild Shape while inside the dragon into a form that is at least one size smaller than the dragon (ie: medium) and has a lot of natural attacks. Like a cat, or a dinosaur - or a crocodile, that can hold it's breath twice as long as normal. Since you can only use light weapons while grappled, this is perfect because all natural weapons are considered light weapons. I figure it won't take long hacking and slashing from within before my dragon problem will go away. If I was to approach it from a more "fun" oriented way, I'd just do it the way I described before, but with the caveat that this is a one-time deal just for fun and totally up to the DM discretion, though a new and totally different crazy cool idea in the future might work if the DM clears it. In the end what I decided was that to get the most out of this I needed the DM to buy into it, sort of making him a part of the idea and working it into the story with his help. I've talked to him about it and the session will happen tomorrow. I'm usually the DM of the group, so I understand the whole thing about making a habit of doing silly stunts. My first suggestion was that if he wanted a climactic battle, then perhaps after the dragon is dead, the dragon's master appears to settle the score. Or maybe the dragon's minions attack, attempting greater glory as the slayer of the slayer, or to get the dragon's hoard from the PC's. We'll see how it plays out and I'll post the results here. Thanks again for the constructive feedback. Scott [/QUOTE]
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