Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
A Wrought Iron Fence Made of Tigers
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4480606" data-attributes="member: 40961"><p>That was a different flurry of nerd rage.</p><p></p><p>The nerd rage that Remathilis is critiquing is the specific flurry of rage regarding the Golden Wyvern Adept and associated concepts.</p><p></p><p>Look at the Warlock for a moment. Its the class in the game that probably most clearly links flavor and mechanics. The infernal pact warlock is full of fire attacks and powers his own person with dark energies ripped from his foes. The fey pact warlock is a teleporting, mind controlling dynamo. Each pact has its own set of proclivities that only make sense together because of the basis of flavor that undergirds the class.</p><p></p><p>As far as we can tell, Golden Wyvern Adept was an attempt at crafting a similar superstructure for wizards. There were three schools of magic, each with two associated energy types, one associated implement, and a set of associated styles of attack. Interestingly, the wizard has three secondary ability scores- odds are pretty good that these were associated as well.</p><p></p><p>I obviously can't say how well this structure would have worked- I haven't seen it in its final form. But we know for certain that it did exist, and that it doesn't exist now- and a lot of people feel that when you look at the wizard's class entry you can see the holes where it used to reside. Like the way only two wizard powers use secondary ability scores in any way, for example, or the way that various energy sources have feat prereqs that reference ability scores that don't seem otherwise related. It seems very likely that there was a superstructure that brought all of this together, so that a Golden Wyvern Adept might hypothetically focus on constitution as a secondary ability score, have easier access to a certain suite of feats, and have benefits when casting spells from his favored school (ie, benefits to spells that are boosted by a high con score). But apparently this was pulled out of the game.</p><p></p><p>I am a bit embittered about this loss. Right after chromatic dragons, I think its second.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4480606, member: 40961"] That was a different flurry of nerd rage. The nerd rage that Remathilis is critiquing is the specific flurry of rage regarding the Golden Wyvern Adept and associated concepts. Look at the Warlock for a moment. Its the class in the game that probably most clearly links flavor and mechanics. The infernal pact warlock is full of fire attacks and powers his own person with dark energies ripped from his foes. The fey pact warlock is a teleporting, mind controlling dynamo. Each pact has its own set of proclivities that only make sense together because of the basis of flavor that undergirds the class. As far as we can tell, Golden Wyvern Adept was an attempt at crafting a similar superstructure for wizards. There were three schools of magic, each with two associated energy types, one associated implement, and a set of associated styles of attack. Interestingly, the wizard has three secondary ability scores- odds are pretty good that these were associated as well. I obviously can't say how well this structure would have worked- I haven't seen it in its final form. But we know for certain that it did exist, and that it doesn't exist now- and a lot of people feel that when you look at the wizard's class entry you can see the holes where it used to reside. Like the way only two wizard powers use secondary ability scores in any way, for example, or the way that various energy sources have feat prereqs that reference ability scores that don't seem otherwise related. It seems very likely that there was a superstructure that brought all of this together, so that a Golden Wyvern Adept might hypothetically focus on constitution as a secondary ability score, have easier access to a certain suite of feats, and have benefits when casting spells from his favored school (ie, benefits to spells that are boosted by a high con score). But apparently this was pulled out of the game. I am a bit embittered about this loss. Right after chromatic dragons, I think its second. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
A Wrought Iron Fence Made of Tigers
Top