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<blockquote data-quote="ProfessorCirno" data-source="post: 4460438" data-attributes="member: 65637">Now that I'm back home, let's review some of these bits from Races and Classes.&quot;Tieflings reappeared in the 3rd Edition Monster Manual as one of the &quot;plane-touched,&quot; inexorably bound to their do-gooder cousins, the aasimar.&nbsp; Forgive my bias, but I'll take horns and brimstone over sunshine and perfection any day.&nbsp; Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be the super good guy.&quot;It's hard not to see that as &quot;Good guys?&nbsp; Lame.&nbsp; Do-gooders.&nbsp; Sunshine and perfection.&nbsp; Huh.&quot;Next, let's look at the bit about Tieflings being rebellious.&nbsp; Are they the molotov cocktail rebellious types, the ones who sneer at police and do whatever they want, or are they angsting teenagers who try so desperately to &quot;not conform&quot; by just dressing up weird and doing little else?&quot;Tieflings appeal to the rebel in us all - the part that doesn't want to conform to social norms.&nbsp; Like rebellious teenagers, they express their nonconformity in blatant ways, from their hairstyles to their wardrobes.&nbsp; Even more blatantly, their bodies reflect their fiendish heritage.&nbsp; When you look at a tiefling, you see some trace, at least, of an incarnationo of evil.&nbsp; What could be more rebellious?&quot;Again, it's kinda hard to get anything out of this BUT &quot;They dress funny because NOBODY UNDERSTANDS THEM.&quot;&nbsp; It says nothing about them actually BEING rebellious, just that they dress that way.&nbsp; Oh man, HARDCORE!How about the angst though?&nbsp; Well, yes, as Mourn stated, the quote goes &quot;Their infernal heritage gives them plenty of angst and an excuse to &quot;get medieval&quot; whenever the mood suits them.&quot;&nbsp; Hey, that sounds suspiciously like that Chaotic Neutral stereotype nobody liked, only now they added ANGST to it.&nbsp; ANGST in capital letters because I'M A DEMON AAAANGST.Here's the crux of my issue: Making good-aligned protagonists isn't less cool then evil ones.&nbsp; Nor is it difficult to make them cool.&nbsp; Again, what I'm seeing is this throwback from the 90's, where only GRIM ANTI-HEROES are cool.&nbsp; And while yes, Wolverine is mighty popular, here's the problem: So was Disaster Movie.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProfessorCirno, post: 4460438, member: 65637"] Now that I'm back home, let's review some of these bits from Races and Classes. "Tieflings reappeared in the 3rd Edition Monster Manual as one of the "plane-touched," inexorably bound to their do-gooder cousins, the aasimar. Forgive my bias, but I'll take horns and brimstone over sunshine and perfection any day. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to be the super good guy." It's hard not to see that as "Good guys? Lame. Do-gooders. Sunshine and perfection. Huh." Next, let's look at the bit about Tieflings being rebellious. Are they the molotov cocktail rebellious types, the ones who sneer at police and do whatever they want, or are they angsting teenagers who try so desperately to "not conform" by just dressing up weird and doing little else? "Tieflings appeal to the rebel in us all - the part that doesn't want to conform to social norms. Like rebellious teenagers, they express their nonconformity in blatant ways, from their hairstyles to their wardrobes. Even more blatantly, their bodies reflect their fiendish heritage. When you look at a tiefling, you see some trace, at least, of an incarnationo of evil. What could be more rebellious?" Again, it's kinda hard to get anything out of this BUT "They dress funny because NOBODY UNDERSTANDS THEM." It says nothing about them actually BEING rebellious, just that they [I]dress[/I] that way. Oh man, HARDCORE! How about the angst though? Well, yes, as Mourn stated, the quote goes "Their infernal heritage gives them plenty of angst and an excuse to "get medieval" whenever the mood suits them." Hey, that sounds suspiciously like that Chaotic Neutral stereotype [I]nobody liked[/I], only now they added ANGST to it. ANGST in capital letters because I'M A DEMON AAAANGST. Here's the crux of my issue: Making good-aligned protagonists isn't less cool then evil ones. Nor is it difficult to make them cool. Again, what I'm seeing is this throwback from the 90's, where only GRIM ANTI-HEROES are cool. And while yes, Wolverine is mighty popular, here's the problem: So was Disaster Movie. [/QUOTE]

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