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<blockquote data-quote="werecorpse" data-source="post: 7815790" data-attributes="member: 55491">Agree re spirit guardians which is why I’ve kept it concentration as I said in my first post, and it’s generally not the other characters who break the monsters out of a hypnotic pattern but the non stupid monsters via damage or actions. I mean that’s what the characters do if it’s cast on them right?What benefit does hypnotic pattern get from being upcast under RAW?Oh and given the text of crown of madness I didn’t change the concentration requirement as the caster has to use their action anyway. But if I had by say +2 levels you’ve got to compare the impact of that spell only being removable via a save, dispel magic or killing the caster vs the cost to the caster of a 4th level spell slot and using their action every round rather than casting other spells. Given most combats are say 4 rounds that’s this one spell up for 4 rounds or 4 other spells being cast. Is having this one spell up likely to be overpowering compared to 4 other spells? IMO no.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="werecorpse, post: 7815790, member: 55491"] Agree re spirit guardians which is why I’ve kept it concentration as I said in my first post, and it’s generally not the other characters who break the monsters out of a hypnotic pattern but the non stupid monsters via damage or actions. I mean that’s what the characters do if it’s cast on them right? What benefit does hypnotic pattern get from being upcast under RAW? Oh and given the text of crown of madness I didn’t change the concentration requirement as the caster has to use their action anyway. But if I had by say +2 levels you’ve got to compare the impact of that spell only being removable via a save, dispel magic or killing the caster vs the cost to the caster of a 4th level spell slot and using their action every round rather than casting other spells. Given most combats are say 4 rounds that’s this one spell up for 4 rounds or 4 other spells being cast. Is having this one spell up likely to be overpowering compared to 4 other spells? IMO no. [/QUOTE]

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