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<blockquote data-quote="jamesstreissand" data-source="post: 7819178" data-attributes="member: 6972004">Are you saying the fact they share a subsystem excluding a play from using them both isn't important compared to the fact they're both third level? I'm sure that sounded more clever in your head, but no, concentration is still their most important feature when a spellcaster considers spell selection. Yes, it is the fault of concentration. If I can cast both wall of sand and haste, I'm not going to cast wall of sand every fight, but there are times when I will use it. If I'm forced to CHOOSE between the two, Wall of Sand doesn't get cast. Notice the point you keep ignoring; I'm forced to choose between the two, this or that, no modifying conditions involved. VSM components don't do that, and I'm shocked even a WOTC apologist pretends otherwise.The spells are designed with the subsystem in mind, dude. Otherwise we wouldn't have an issue ripping it out entirely.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jamesstreissand, post: 7819178, member: 6972004"] Are you saying the fact they share a subsystem excluding a play from using them both isn't important compared to the fact they're both third level? I'm sure that sounded more clever in your head, but no, concentration is still their most important feature when a spellcaster considers spell selection. Yes, it is the fault of concentration. If I can cast both wall of sand and haste, I'm not going to cast wall of sand every fight, but there are times when I will use it. If I'm forced to CHOOSE between the two, Wall of Sand doesn't get cast. Notice the point you keep ignoring; I'm forced to choose between the two, this or that, no modifying conditions involved. VSM components don't do that, and I'm shocked even a WOTC apologist pretends otherwise. The spells are designed with the subsystem in mind, dude. Otherwise we wouldn't have an issue ripping it out entirely. [/QUOTE]

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