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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9025470" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>The question though is how many DMs are actually forcing players to follow the letter of the law on these things? Are there DMs who are making all characters make grand verbal statements, wild hand gestures and pull out all kinds of components from their pouches because that is what "spells require" (and thus are "breaking stealth" for example)? Or are most DMs just doing what it seems like most do, which is completely ignore components anyway? And if that's the case, what difference does it make if Hunter's Mark is listed as a "spell" rather than a "class feature", if the actions the Ranger takes end up being the exact same thing?</p><p></p><p>Likewise... are there actually DMs out there that are Counterspelling or Dispelling Hunter's Marks or forcing Rangers into Anti-Magic Fields so they can't use their Hunter's Marks? How often is anything like that ever happening? When people bring those things up it always seems to me to be a "potential problem" of the system they are thinking of, but not one that actually ever happens. So something like Hunter's Mark being a spell versus a "magical class feature" does not end up having any appreciable difference at actual tables in actual games. Thus to me the idea we need to ask WotC to change up rules-- turn things from "spells" to "features" just so players can apparently play RAW (rather than just continue to ignore the rules we don't like) seems to me to be unnecessary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9025470, member: 7006"] The question though is how many DMs are actually forcing players to follow the letter of the law on these things? Are there DMs who are making all characters make grand verbal statements, wild hand gestures and pull out all kinds of components from their pouches because that is what "spells require" (and thus are "breaking stealth" for example)? Or are most DMs just doing what it seems like most do, which is completely ignore components anyway? And if that's the case, what difference does it make if Hunter's Mark is listed as a "spell" rather than a "class feature", if the actions the Ranger takes end up being the exact same thing? Likewise... are there actually DMs out there that are Counterspelling or Dispelling Hunter's Marks or forcing Rangers into Anti-Magic Fields so they can't use their Hunter's Marks? How often is anything like that ever happening? When people bring those things up it always seems to me to be a "potential problem" of the system they are thinking of, but not one that actually ever happens. So something like Hunter's Mark being a spell versus a "magical class feature" does not end up having any appreciable difference at actual tables in actual games. Thus to me the idea we need to ask WotC to change up rules-- turn things from "spells" to "features" just so players can apparently play RAW (rather than just continue to ignore the rules we don't like) seems to me to be unnecessary. [/QUOTE]
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