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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ren1999" data-source="post: 5928879" data-attributes="member: 85179">We shouldn't have to constantly refer to any table, that is why we should have a formula for modifiers. The 1d20 with only a maximum modifier of +5 means that randomness means too much. I'm saying that a maximum roll on anything should be 1d20+10. The +10 comes from ability30(ability modifier +10) That bonus of +10 includes racial bonus, class bonus, level-up, magic items, spell effects and feat effects. Take that ability modifier and apply it to skills, toHit, and damage.Let the dexterity modifier and better armor improve the AC.Capping at 20 is too low when you can roll an 18 for an ability. Capping at 30 will allow you to stack feats, items, effects and level-up into the ability. For those of you who say that no ability should improve when leveling-up, I think you're in the  minority. You're all agreeing with each other here but others  don't.If you still want a cap at 20, tell me how you would have leveling-up and magic items stack up in a bonus.</blockquote>