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<blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 744689" data-attributes="member: 6239">I think there is a difference between spending XP and leveling.When you level, an amount of experience is no longer available to you.&nbsp; This doesn't mean you don't have it.&nbsp; When you keep the experience and gain a level (or ECL adjustment) you make the next level harder to get.&nbsp; +1 ECL at 19th level has &quot;cost&quot; you a lot more than +1 ECL at 1st level, since 20th level &quot;costs&quot; 19,000 where 2nd level &quot;costs&quot; 1,000.If the system does not modify your ECL (I don't believe that Path of Sword does, I know Quientiestial Fighter doesn't) you don't see this increasing cost.&nbsp; If your XP total goes down, you don't see that cost over your whole career.&nbsp; 1,000 XP is a small cost compared to your total XP at 20th level.&nbsp; You might level a bit later than every one else (a session or two perhaps) but this is no worse than missing a few sessions.&nbsp; +1 ECL will cost more than a small amount of time, flat XP won't.&nbsp; The XP disappearing means little at higher levels (so wizards can cast wish without too much of a problem) but ECL will always make you slower.&nbsp; I agree that these systems need to be fit into levels, in some way.&nbsp; But if you are going to equate abilities to levels anyway, why not just make it a PrC?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="LokiDR, post: 744689, member: 6239"] I think there is a difference between spending XP and leveling. When you level, an amount of experience is no longer available to you. This doesn't mean you don't have it. When you keep the experience and gain a level (or ECL adjustment) you make the next level harder to get. +1 ECL at 19th level has "cost" you a lot more than +1 ECL at 1st level, since 20th level "costs" 19,000 where 2nd level "costs" 1,000. If the system does not modify your ECL (I don't believe that Path of Sword does, I know Quientiestial Fighter doesn't) you don't see this increasing cost. If your XP total goes down, you don't see that cost over your whole career. 1,000 XP is a small cost compared to your total XP at 20th level. You might level a bit later than every one else (a session or two perhaps) but this is no worse than missing a few sessions. +1 ECL will cost more than a small amount of time, flat XP won't. The XP disappearing means little at higher levels (so wizards can cast wish without too much of a problem) but ECL will always make you slower. I agree that these systems need to be fit into levels, in some way. But if you are going to equate abilities to levels anyway, why not just make it a PrC? [/QUOTE]

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