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<blockquote data-quote="babinro" data-source="post: 4495653" data-attributes="member: 67482">Good points...I do agree that you could potentially severely hurt the fun of the game by having epic level characters stopped by seemingly simple obstacles like a jammed door.&nbsp; The party of 3.5 players will eventually be trying the game sometime next year when the current campaign is done...and I hope, like myself and my 4E players they can see the game for what it is, fun. I also agree that granting the ability to take 20 can hurt the game's high level barrier intentions at times.&nbsp; It makes adamantine door almost 'typical' where it should be extrodinary.&nbsp; I suppose you could just continually make stronger materials which may not technically exist in the D&amp;D world but have crazy break DC's for Epic characters that want to take 20.&nbsp;&nbsp; Personally, I think characters should be limited to passive checks of 10 as a minimum, with a d20 roll to try and be 'outstanding' or 'lucky' in better performing said task.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="babinro, post: 4495653, member: 67482"] Good points...I do agree that you could potentially severely hurt the fun of the game by having epic level characters stopped by seemingly simple obstacles like a jammed door. The party of 3.5 players will eventually be trying the game sometime next year when the current campaign is done...and I hope, like myself and my 4E players they can see the game for what it is, fun. I also agree that granting the ability to take 20 can hurt the game's high level barrier intentions at times. It makes adamantine door almost 'typical' where it should be extrodinary. I suppose you could just continually make stronger materials which may not technically exist in the D&D world but have crazy break DC's for Epic characters that want to take 20. Personally, I think characters should be limited to passive checks of 10 as a minimum, with a d20 roll to try and be 'outstanding' or 'lucky' in better performing said task. [/QUOTE]

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