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<blockquote data-quote="Gorrstagg" data-source="post: 2472595" data-attributes="member: 15863"><p>Zulithe, just to put this into perspective for you. Those stats your buddy ahem rolled up there.. (I don't buy it for a single moment without someone being there independently to see them rolled.) add up to a 75 point character in a point buy system.</p><p></p><p>Let's put this into perspective, a regular expected PC is typically built with 25 points. That's what's known as an elite array. Which all the iconic pc's were designed with.</p><p></p><p>Now, dice rolling typically can exceed that a bit if you use the 4d6 drop the lowest, but again, it shouldn't vary that much except for the whole part of how many times you let them roll.</p><p></p><p>Now, again perspective, all the monsters are designed with the pc's having a 25 point array. Letting your players feel heroic could let you put their stat buy points at a 28-32. I'm personally a pretty tough DM, and find that 32 points is just the right amount for the PC's to feel heroic, but not absurdly powerful. They even find that 32 points is a bit harsh. Tough. I'm training them into going with the 32 point buy. And they have come around to it.</p><p></p><p>Now, your guy with the 75 point array, has the stats of..</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Red">3!!!!</span> PC's.</p><p></p><p>Meaning that one person is almost the equivalent of an entire party all by themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So now we get to the what to do part of this problem. As a DM your going to have to put your foot down and get your folks in line with the game mechanics. Let the know, that your seriously considering point buy.. (And for them I would recommend 32 points), and that it will be starting.. Immediately after their new pc's die.</p><p></p><p>Yep that's right, they get to keep their rolled PC's. (Except you need to talk to your one guy.. that 75 point pc is absurdly powerful. And not even remotely fair.. at all. Fair to him, you, the other players. Tell him that your going to do something once, for him, your going to give him 40 points for his first pc in a point buy system.)</p><p></p><p>But when that pc dies, or retires from the party, the next PC that player brings in, is only going to get a 32 point buy.</p><p></p><p>I did this with my group, and it's been like night and day. Now no one even bothers rolling up pc's, as they get to simply spend the points, and get a good pc out of the deal.</p><p></p><p>What's a good pc.. well with 32 points.. let's see some example stats..</p><p></p><p>numbers total modifier (the +x from each stat added together)</p><p>14,14,14,14,14,10 +10</p><p>16,14,14,14,10,10 +9</p><p>16,15,14,14,10,08 +8</p><p>16,16,14,14,08,08 +8</p><p>15,15,15,14,10,08 +7</p><p>15,15,15,15,08,08 +6</p><p>18,14,14,10,10,08 +7</p><p>18,14,14,12,10,08 +8</p><p>17,14,14,14,10,09 +8</p><p>17,16,14,10,08,08 +6</p><p></p><p>The long and short, more characters will be balanced out over the long run, and a +2 to a stat is not really something to sneeze at.. it's actually pretty darn useful to have a +2 in all but one stat... definately gives some focus if you will.</p><p></p><p>Oh and your buddy's total modifer is a +19. Yeah.. a +19!!</p><p></p><p>So don't feel bad.. just get them to convert to your new system.. and go on from there.</p><p></p><p>It really makes your life as a DM much easier.</p><p></p><p>In any case.. you'll notice something..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gorrstagg, post: 2472595, member: 15863"] Zulithe, just to put this into perspective for you. Those stats your buddy ahem rolled up there.. (I don't buy it for a single moment without someone being there independently to see them rolled.) add up to a 75 point character in a point buy system. Let's put this into perspective, a regular expected PC is typically built with 25 points. That's what's known as an elite array. Which all the iconic pc's were designed with. Now, dice rolling typically can exceed that a bit if you use the 4d6 drop the lowest, but again, it shouldn't vary that much except for the whole part of how many times you let them roll. Now, again perspective, all the monsters are designed with the pc's having a 25 point array. Letting your players feel heroic could let you put their stat buy points at a 28-32. I'm personally a pretty tough DM, and find that 32 points is just the right amount for the PC's to feel heroic, but not absurdly powerful. They even find that 32 points is a bit harsh. Tough. I'm training them into going with the 32 point buy. And they have come around to it. Now, your guy with the 75 point array, has the stats of.. [COLOR=Red]3!!!![/COLOR] PC's. Meaning that one person is almost the equivalent of an entire party all by themselves. So now we get to the what to do part of this problem. As a DM your going to have to put your foot down and get your folks in line with the game mechanics. Let the know, that your seriously considering point buy.. (And for them I would recommend 32 points), and that it will be starting.. Immediately after their new pc's die. Yep that's right, they get to keep their rolled PC's. (Except you need to talk to your one guy.. that 75 point pc is absurdly powerful. And not even remotely fair.. at all. Fair to him, you, the other players. Tell him that your going to do something once, for him, your going to give him 40 points for his first pc in a point buy system.) But when that pc dies, or retires from the party, the next PC that player brings in, is only going to get a 32 point buy. I did this with my group, and it's been like night and day. Now no one even bothers rolling up pc's, as they get to simply spend the points, and get a good pc out of the deal. What's a good pc.. well with 32 points.. let's see some example stats.. numbers total modifier (the +x from each stat added together) 14,14,14,14,14,10 +10 16,14,14,14,10,10 +9 16,15,14,14,10,08 +8 16,16,14,14,08,08 +8 15,15,15,14,10,08 +7 15,15,15,15,08,08 +6 18,14,14,10,10,08 +7 18,14,14,12,10,08 +8 17,14,14,14,10,09 +8 17,16,14,10,08,08 +6 The long and short, more characters will be balanced out over the long run, and a +2 to a stat is not really something to sneeze at.. it's actually pretty darn useful to have a +2 in all but one stat... definately gives some focus if you will. Oh and your buddy's total modifer is a +19. Yeah.. a +19!! So don't feel bad.. just get them to convert to your new system.. and go on from there. It really makes your life as a DM much easier. In any case.. you'll notice something.. [/QUOTE]
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