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<blockquote data-quote="TheAlkaizer" data-source="post: 8367770" data-attributes="member: 7024893">If we're talking about the human species? Absolutely is. But am I wrong to see the different races of D&amp;D as different species? Gorillas are much stronger than chimpanzees. Jaguars are much faster than lions. There's biological difference. And I am concious that D&amp;D muddled that very much when half-elves and half-orcs are introduced, because then it suggest that they're not entirely different species.Except that I'm arguing the opposite. I'm saying that despite the bonuses, you can have statistical outliers of any combination. And wouldn't saying that elves are terrible at strength because they don't have a bonus equal to saying that women are just physically weak because on average men are stronger when, you yourself pointed that that there's plenty of women that, either because of genetics or lifestyle reasons are stronger than many men?Except that elf is not a poor choice for all these classes. They fit these classes in many settings, they can be very charismatic, wise or intelligent. But once again, we're arguing about something being terrible at something because you're maximum starting modifier will be 1 less than optimal races, when, in the end, you can also reach the maximum limit of 20 if you want.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheAlkaizer, post: 8367770, member: 7024893"] If we're talking about the human species? Absolutely is. But am I wrong to see the different races of D&D as different species? Gorillas are much stronger than chimpanzees. Jaguars are much faster than lions. There's biological difference. And I am concious that D&D muddled that very much when half-elves and half-orcs are introduced, because then it suggest that they're not entirely different species. Except that I'm arguing the opposite. I'm saying that despite the bonuses, you can have statistical outliers of any combination. And wouldn't saying that elves are terrible at strength because they don't have a bonus equal to saying that women are just physically weak because on average men are stronger when, you yourself pointed that that there's plenty of women that, either because of genetics or lifestyle reasons are stronger than many men? Except that elf is not a poor choice for all these classes. They fit these classes in many settings, they can be very charismatic, wise or intelligent. But once again, we're arguing about something being terrible at something because you're maximum starting modifier will be 1 less than [I]optimal[/I] races, when, in the end, you can also reach the maximum limit of 20 if you want. [/QUOTE]

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