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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8372954" data-attributes="member: 23751">Yes they are.&nbsp; No matter what scale you use for humans, goliaths are stronger.Um, no.&nbsp; First, +2 would make it 10-38.&nbsp; Second, since you're putting humans on an 8-36 scale due to lifting ability and goliaths can lift double what a human can, the goliath strength scale is 20-72.&nbsp; That's what I would call stronger.D&amp;D needing to balance things just gives goliaths +2 to strength, though.&nbsp; That's bad enough.&nbsp; No bonus over humans would be even more absurd.Excellent.&nbsp; I'm not the one arguing realism, though.&nbsp; So don't attribute that to me please.&nbsp; I'm saying, and it is factually true, that goliaths are stronger than humans and should get a strength bonus to represent that. No you can't.&nbsp; &quot;Improving&quot; is improving, not &quot;fixing.&quot;&nbsp; They are different words for a reason.&nbsp; Racial bonuses are not broken and so cannot be fixed.&nbsp; As for improved, that's subjective and I'm sure it did make a difference for some people.&nbsp; If you prefer it, as I said in my last response to you, then you'll like it better.&nbsp; It won't be &quot;fixed,&quot; though.I'm arguing the facts.&nbsp; If you were able to time travel and went back in time with modern training knowledge and machines, you could maximize both of their potentials and he would be stronger.&nbsp; Even then the max potential for men and women were different.&nbsp; They just didn't achieve those potentials.&nbsp; She trained better than he did is all.&nbsp; She doesn't somehow prove that physiology was different 100 years ago.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8372954, member: 23751"] Yes they are. No matter what scale you use for humans, goliaths are stronger. Um, no. First, +2 would make it 10-38. Second, since you're putting humans on an 8-36 scale due to lifting ability and goliaths can lift double what a human can, the goliath strength scale is 20-72. That's what I would call stronger. D&D needing to balance things just gives goliaths +2 to strength, though. That's bad enough. No bonus over humans would be even more absurd. Excellent. I'm not the one arguing realism, though. So don't attribute that to me please. I'm saying, and it is factually true, that goliaths are stronger than humans and should get a strength bonus to represent that. No you can't. "Improving" is improving, not "fixing." They are different words for a reason. Racial bonuses are not broken and so cannot be fixed. As for improved, that's subjective and I'm sure it did make a difference for some people. If you prefer it, as I said in my last response to you, then you'll like it better. It won't be "fixed," though. I'm arguing the facts. If you were able to time travel and went back in time with modern training knowledge and machines, you could maximize both of their potentials and he would be stronger. Even then the max potential for men and women were different. They just didn't achieve those potentials. She trained better than he did is all. She doesn't somehow prove that physiology was different 100 years ago. [/QUOTE]

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