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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8373350" data-attributes="member: 23751">Wrong. D&amp;D elves are not Tolkien elves.&nbsp; You accuse me of conflating and then conflate two different elf types. Don't tell me what I am arguing, because that ain't it.&nbsp; Like that's not even close. I explained to you that human nature makes changing hard coding to floating work and the reverse fail.&nbsp; The human variant has floating +1s, so those bonuses say nothing about the race.Show me the human who gets +2 with purely racial bonuses. Ditto.&nbsp; It's almost as if you're conflating racial bonuses with bonuses gained another way.&nbsp; Oh, wait.Yes.&nbsp; Strawmen like that are indeed amusing.&nbsp; Nobody has argued that humans get no bonuses. Wrong.&nbsp; All I'm saying is that one informs the other.&nbsp; I never said they were the same thing.That's one of my arguments, yes.Not really relevant.&nbsp; A bad decision on WotC's part does nothing to refute my argument. The difference between a human and dwarf is minimal, and dwarves are stockier than humans, so the weights are similar.&nbsp; Goliath are larger.Show me how it was mechanically broken.If all you have been saying is that some strong woman somewhere is stronger than a man, then that point was over and done with 15 pages ago. Nobody on my side of things has claimed that all men are stronger than all women.&nbsp; I didn't realize that you were making a point that nobody was arguing against.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8373350, member: 23751"] Wrong. D&D elves are not Tolkien elves. You accuse me of conflating and then conflate two different elf types. Don't tell me what I am arguing, because that ain't it. Like that's not even close. I explained to you that human nature makes changing hard coding to floating work and the reverse fail. The human variant has floating +1s, so those bonuses say nothing about the race. Show me the human who gets +2 with purely racial bonuses. Ditto. It's almost as if you're conflating racial bonuses with bonuses gained another way. Oh, wait. Yes. Strawmen like that are indeed amusing. Nobody has argued that humans get no bonuses. Wrong. All I'm saying is that one informs the other. I never said they were the same thing. That's one of my arguments, yes. Not really relevant. A bad decision on WotC's part does nothing to refute my argument. The difference between a human and dwarf is minimal, and dwarves are stockier than humans, so the weights are similar. Goliath are larger. Show me how it was mechanically broken. If all you have been saying is that some strong woman somewhere is stronger than a man, then that point was over and done with 15 pages ago. Nobody on my side of things has claimed that all men are stronger than all women. I didn't realize that you were making a point that nobody was arguing against. [/QUOTE]

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