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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8374692" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I reread both three more times. I still stand by what I said. You have consistently said that elves without a +2 dex to their racial write-up are incomplete. You even explicitly talked about an example where someone said their elf started with an 8 in their dex score, and you said that would be impossible because they would have a 10, because they are elves. By your own arguments then, an elf whose racial write up was a +2 Cha and +1 Int, having no bonus to Dexterity, is wither incomplete or not an elf. You would require them to have a +2 Dexterirty, because for you that is a vital component of "elfness" and not having it would be like cutting out the face of the Mona Lisa. This is all because you see the racial write up as being meant for the purpose of showing the average across the population. It doesn't matter if there is an elf who has a Dex of 10 while the dwarf has a 16, because an average elf gets a +2 dex, so an average elf is more dexterous than an average dwarf. This is the point you have made repeatedly. You don't like floating scores because then you believe that the average no longer exists. The Average Elf can't be said to be anything, because the scores are floating and they could be anything. This is the reason you have stated for not liking the floating scores, because it makes your race meaningless on a population level. However, you are wrong. As I have pointed out, in our own real world, there are patterns. We are all human, yet the Dutch people tend to be the tallest and the various Japanese and Vietnamese people tend to be the shortest. So, there is no issue or would even cause an eyeblink to say that elves still tend to be the most dexterous. Even with floating scores. Now, you can keep telling me that I simply don't understand your points, but maybe it would be more productive for you to try and understand my solutions.</blockquote>

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