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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8375690" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I have literally been told that a dwarven rogue or a dwarven ranger is agaisnt type. I've used Dwarven Bards as a direct example in threads like this, and been told that they are supposed to be bad at being bards, because they aren't cheerful enough.So, some people are conflating a lot of things. And if we can't even agree on what &quot;type&quot; a dwarf is, then how is it even a concern if some people feel like it is going to be harder to play against it?Edit: Case in point, three posts after yours, Scribe says that I was correct in my typing of dwarves. So, you say it is in type, they say it isn't, and they are upset about not being able to play against type by playing what you see as in type. See how this is a problem? How we end up with wanting to do things that are perfectly within the archetype, and at the same time being told that they want to do that same thing by playing against the archetype, and that it should be harder because it is &quot;against&quot; even when we see it differently?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8375690, member: 6801228"] I have literally been told that a dwarven rogue or a dwarven ranger is agaisnt type. I've used Dwarven Bards as a direct example in threads like this, and been told that they are supposed to be bad at being bards, because they aren't cheerful enough. So, some people are conflating a lot of things. And if we can't even agree on what "type" a dwarf is, then how is it even a concern if some people feel like it is going to be harder to play against it? Edit: Case in point, three posts after yours, Scribe says that I was correct in my typing of dwarves. So, you say it is in type, they say it isn't, and they are upset about not being able to play against type by playing what you see as in type. See how this is a problem? How we end up with wanting to do things that are perfectly within the archetype, and at the same time being told that they want to do that same thing by playing against the archetype, and that it should be harder because it is "against" even when we see it differently? [/QUOTE]

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