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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8375953" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>No, my point to Max was that you can't talk about "Good and Evil" without talking about the ideas of good and evil in the real world. He now seems to be saying that as long as he isn't citing murder scenes from the NYPD then murder in the fantasy world has no possible connection in any way shape or form with murder in the real world. Ignoring that the ideas of murder apply to both, hence a connection. </p><p></p><p>And you stepped in to assert that I can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course both can exist. But that's the point. BOTH EXIST. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, I can sit back and watch Riggs cowboy it up and shoot the bad guys, and it can be great entertainment. But that doesn't mean that there is no possible connection that can be drawn between that and a trigger happy cop in the real world. Not a connection like Lethal Weapon caused that. Or that Lethal Weapon was crime scene accurate to a police shooting. Or that they stopped and had a 30 minute PSA in the movie about police shootings... but that both things happened. There are cowboy cops who shoot people. There are people who lose everything in an instant because some powerful entity pressed the button. Wars are fought. People are hurt. People die. </p><p></p><p>Saying that you can portray anything you want in fantasy, and its fine because it isn't real and has no connection to reality is naive at best. I'm not saying we need to rewrite every piece of fantasy ever, I'm not even saying we have to stop portraying violence. I enjoy fight scenes in movies. They are great. But, I can also recognize that fights are a real thing that happen, and that some people use violence to solve all their problems, and that that is a thing in the real world. </p><p></p><p>Fantasy references reality. You can't draw a hard line and say that nothing that happens on one side of that line can ever affect or reflect on the other side. That isn't how it works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8375953, member: 6801228"] No, my point to Max was that you can't talk about "Good and Evil" without talking about the ideas of good and evil in the real world. He now seems to be saying that as long as he isn't citing murder scenes from the NYPD then murder in the fantasy world has no possible connection in any way shape or form with murder in the real world. Ignoring that the ideas of murder apply to both, hence a connection. And you stepped in to assert that I can't tell the difference between reality and fantasy. Of course both can exist. But that's the point. BOTH EXIST. Yeah, I can sit back and watch Riggs cowboy it up and shoot the bad guys, and it can be great entertainment. But that doesn't mean that there is no possible connection that can be drawn between that and a trigger happy cop in the real world. Not a connection like Lethal Weapon caused that. Or that Lethal Weapon was crime scene accurate to a police shooting. Or that they stopped and had a 30 minute PSA in the movie about police shootings... but that both things happened. There are cowboy cops who shoot people. There are people who lose everything in an instant because some powerful entity pressed the button. Wars are fought. People are hurt. People die. Saying that you can portray anything you want in fantasy, and its fine because it isn't real and has no connection to reality is naive at best. I'm not saying we need to rewrite every piece of fantasy ever, I'm not even saying we have to stop portraying violence. I enjoy fight scenes in movies. They are great. But, I can also recognize that fights are a real thing that happen, and that some people use violence to solve all their problems, and that that is a thing in the real world. Fantasy references reality. You can't draw a hard line and say that nothing that happens on one side of that line can ever affect or reflect on the other side. That isn't how it works. [/QUOTE]
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