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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LadyElect" data-source="post: 8378288" data-attributes="member: 7031965">Just to “save my own skin” so to speak, since I assume this references my own post, I was merely co-opting a sort of min-max lingo there for effect and don’t actually believe there is any race-class combo that tangibly suffers enough to demand alteration to play. But to actually answer to this request, it would merely be any race-class combination whose ASI bonuses and ASI usages don’t align (ie: Elf Barbarian and Dwarf Wizard referenced upthread). And it’s because I actually agree with your opening from a game design perspective. I should have a 17 too.But the 17 to me just represents an ideal starting balance. Any race-class combination should be able to approach level 1 with even footing potential (you can likely tell I tend to run standard array and point buy). So of course you can play any combination now and a game will run perfectly fine. Sometimes I even find it fun to roll random all around. But there’s no reason provided by the opposing arguments so far that I agree with enough to want the uneven footing of certain combinations to remain the default.But that’s also just one piece of a much larger balancing act that will exist as long as the game does, regardless of edition.I also made some allusion to this upthread, but for me these things aren’t indeed part of my own argument. Or, at least, part of the argument against the ASIs. Flavorful racial abilities like Fey Ancestry and Trance are the sorts of things I think should instead be expanded upon in place of the ASIs. Because they don’t favor any particular class combination through direct synergy, they exist outside the argument of opposing built-in optimizability. Instead, I find they give reason for players to explore a wider variety of race-class combinations since they provide unique benefits to their PCs rather than innately complementary benefits.</blockquote>

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