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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8379515" data-attributes="member: 23751">I use it as it is commonly used.  You'll need to prove your bold claim there.  Since I don't believe that you can't prove it, I'll ask why you have the opinion that +5 must be the baseline, and +4 must not be?The bold explains it.  It's just their personal feeling.You expect me to believe that?  Nothing ever failed it's save against your spells at +4, but would have failed enough to make it worthwhile at +5?  That +1 difference meant the difference between nothing failing to save and the spell is suddenly worthwhile?All because he started with a 14 instead of a 16?  I'm not going to believe that even if a player somehow felt that he was weaker do the lack of +1, magic items providing +1 wouldn't fix it.It sounds very much like a psychological issue to me. I'm not saying or implying that you guys are insane, so don't go into left field on me again.  I'm just saying that if a PC is lacking +1 and you provide that +1 via magic items, the issue is objectively gone.  If the player still feels like he's weaker, that perception is just in his head and not actually true.  The same with the misperception that the lack of +1 causes everything make it's save against your spells, but having that +1 means that the spell is now useful.I've never said or implied that the baseline bonus for a PC's main stat is 0. This is not a reasonable assumption to make from what I have been arguing here.I've been talking about the racial averages and racial stat bonuses.  I've not once talked about or implied that PCs are average or that the baseline should be 0.  That's a complete fabrication on your part.You've made the claim yes.  Demonstrated it?  No. Raising the racial dex average of a race that is more dexterous by giving it +2 does change the flavor and add more realism.Sure it does.  The rules that limit PCs don't limit NPCs.  This is why NPC wizards and such have abilities that PC wizards don't and vice versa.  They've learned different things.Now you're implying that Cirque du Solei gymnasts are born to Cirque du Solei gymnasts and nobody else can learn it.  The fact is, anyone from any part of the world who is born with a slender body type can learn how to do it.  So while elves might all be slender and able to learn X ability, any human, orc, hobgoblin or triton with the same body type could also learn it.Someone with the ability helps you learn how to use your mind to project your thoughts.  With practice and hard work, you eventually become able to do so and gain that feat.  And do you really think that only Tabaxi have claws?  Any intelligent race with claws should be able to learn to retract them.  Just like any race with scales should be able to take the ability to have tougher scales.  And we see from the game that anyone who wants to can learn to be lucky.  They weren't lucky from levels 1-3 and now at level 4 they are!</blockquote>

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