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<blockquote data-quote="Bill Zebub" data-source="post: 8379733" data-attributes="member: 7031982">Oops not sure why I wrote anger instead of envy.In any event, you seem to be drawing the same curious inference as [USER=6901101]@Scott Christian[/USER], and assuming that the common decision to maximize a primary attribute is because &quot;other people have it&quot;.Speaking only for myself (which is all I really can do, right?) I'll say that:&nbsp;- If everybody else at the table had 14's and 15's in their primary attributes, I'd still want a 16 or 17.&nbsp;- And if it were possible to start with an 18, I'd want that, too, even if everybody else had 16's and 17's.&nbsp;- If I were playing in a duet game with just me and a DM, I'd still want my primary attribute as high as possible.By which I'm trying to say that it's really not about what other people have: it's that I recognize how useful primary attributes are, and in general I'll want it as high as possible, and the way the game is currently designed there aren't other things to trade it for that I find as compelling (except in some cases I'll choose a feat instead of another +1).The claim that it's just because other people have it sounds to me like an attempt to de-legitimize the desire.&nbsp; &quot;It's not possible you want a high primary attribute for a sensible, game-mechanics reason; it has to be petty jealousy.&quot;I mean, just think about how easy it would be to turn the tables and do the same thing with the arguments in favor of racial ASIs.I'm not understanding this.&nbsp; What's the antecedent of &quot;it&quot; in &quot;people really want it&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bill Zebub, post: 8379733, member: 7031982"] Oops not sure why I wrote anger instead of envy. In any event, you seem to be drawing the same curious inference as [USER=6901101]@Scott Christian[/USER], and assuming that the common decision to maximize a primary attribute is because "other people have it". Speaking only for myself (which is all I really can do, right?) I'll say that: - If everybody else at the table had 14's and 15's in their primary attributes, I'd still want a 16 or 17. - And if it were [I]possible[/I] to start with an 18, I'd want that, too, even if everybody else had 16's and 17's. - If I were playing in a duet game with just me and a DM, I'd still want my primary attribute as high as possible. By which I'm trying to say that it's really not about what other people have: it's that I recognize how useful primary attributes are, and in general I'll want it as high as possible, and the way the game is currently designed there aren't other things to trade it for that I find as compelling (except in some cases I'll choose a feat instead of another +1). The claim that it's just because other people have it sounds to me like an attempt to de-legitimize the desire. "It's not possible you want a high primary attribute for a sensible, game-mechanics reason; it has to be petty jealousy." I mean, just think about how easy it would be to turn the tables and do the same thing with the arguments in favor of racial ASIs. I'm not understanding this. What's the antecedent of "it" in "people really want it"? [/QUOTE]

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