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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8379919" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, I literally made a massive multi-paragraph post, and you think I'm lying? What do I care if my character doesn't meet the expected baseline of the game? I care because I'd like to meet it. It isn't exactly difficult to realize that if I played a human instead of a tiefling I could get a 16 in my wisdom. I am capable of basic math. And, as [USER=7031982]@Bill Zebub[/USER] pointed out, if this truly was "all about powergaming" then it wouldn't bother me, I'd just play the Variant human for that incredbily powerful feat and get my 16 wisdom. So if it is all about powergaming what am I trying to gain by having a 16 Wis Tiefling cleric who gets a cleric cantrip and fire resistance instead of taking the human who also gets a 16 wisdom, but then gets an extra skill proficiency and the War Caster feat which makes me losing concentration on my spells nearly impossible and gives me a reaction spell. Or maybe I'd take magic initiate and grab Shillelagh or Primal Savagery for comboing melee cantrips with my increases from my class. Why is the human perfectly acceptable play, but tielfing is a dirty powergamer infecting the game?And this is meaningless to the problem, because the problem isn't that my character has a lower wisdom than the other cleric in the party, it is that my character has a lower wisdom than the theoritical other version of my own character whom I picked a better race for. I do still get access to my own stats right?Yeah, and this has nothing to do with powergaming. Nothing. No powergaming is going on. And the fact you are waving that banner declaring that all we care about is powergaming is actively making the conversation harder, because we clearly aren't talking about that. Unless you think every human with the standard array is a powergamer, or every elf who plays a rogue, wizard, ranger, monk or dex-based fighter is a powergamer. In which case, your definition is too broad to be useful.</blockquote>

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