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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8380092" data-attributes="member: 23751">You're saying that anyone not putting the 15 in their main stat and then picking a race to get a bonus there is playing the game wrong.  Me, I'm saying that the designers wouldn't try to force that to happen.  They would want someone to play a mountain dwarf wizard with a 15 starting intelligence, so +2(15) is the most likely baseline.65% proves nothing.  60% is still more likely that not.  So what you have is a first reason that assumes people who don't optimize are playing the game wrong and a second reason that is pure assumption based on 5% more, which proves nothing.Sure.  That's reasonable.15 is not 16.  A 14 or 15 in the prime stat is reasonable.  An assumption that anyone who does not optimize is playing the game wrong is not.You really don't understand how someone who feels(incorrectly) that they need to have +2 in their prime stat at first level would feel relief at Tasha's?Can you show the original post?  I wouldn't have said that with regard to PC stats, so it's likely you're confusing me with one of the others in the thread that you've been discussing this with.  That or the context was wildly different.Oh, yeah.  The context WAS wildly different.  That's saying that the baseline racial bonus to the stat should be 0, for the reasons I lay out above.  People who don't pick a race with a bonus are not playing the game wrong or gimping themselves.You've completely fabricated me saying that the stat bonus should be 0, instead of +2.  The above quote is clearly talking about racial bonuses to the stat itself, not the bonus the stat gives.You do understand game balance and the limitations it imposes, right?  Some people being incapable due to rules and not lack of ability doesn't mean that it cannot be learned.  Regardless of whether or not a PC can learn it, it's still a learned skill and therefore not a racial ability.  It's simply a cultural one.Sure.  People can learn to do things on their own.  It's how skills develop in the first place.  Doesn't stop it from being a skill.  And stories from novels or other game systems are not relevant to D&D which has made it a skill that can be learned.Never grew a callus before?  According to what you just said, all dragonborn can retract their claws without the need for a feat, since it's a racial thing you are born with the ability to do.  Oh.......wait.  No, apparently it's learned in D&D.  A dragonborn that is 50 years old and hits 16th level can take the feat and learn to retract his claws after not being able to do so for 50 years of his life.Roll dice a lot.  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging    :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />  All I know is that it's a fact that it can be acquired later when the PC decides to learn a feat.</blockquote>

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