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<blockquote data-quote="Scribe" data-source="post: 8380116" data-attributes="member: 6807152"><p>While I disagree with your conclusion, and that Humans for the baseline (how can they when they get +1 to all stats for a total of 6, while others get +2/+1 or some variation) this still does not show that mechanically there is an expectation.</p><p></p><p>Standard Array - Fine. We can ignore that the rules as designed allow for other methods of Attribute score generation.</p><p>Race? - Halfling. Just straight up PHB.</p><p></p><p>Where do you put that 15? Well if I'm a Fighter, I have the option of going for a Dex build, and ending up at 17 (+3) or Str, and getting 15 (+2). Wait...we arent quibbling over a +1 still are we?</p><p></p><p>Lets say instead then that this is how the game is designed, and that makes sense since its how the game was delivered from release in 2014 to at least Tasha's, so around 6 years.</p><p></p><p>The only possible conclusion?</p><p></p><p><strong>Wizard's intended for some PC options to be better/worse/different, when choosing different classes, and to have that difference reflected at level 1 with a difference of +1 on a primary attribute.</strong></p><p></p><p>There is no expectation of a 16, because there is no limiting of Class and Race options. You may choose whatever you like. Furthermore, there are rules straight out of the PHB which allow for different mechanism of Attribute generation.</p><p></p><p>The 'fundamental math' of the game cannot possible have an expectation of 16, there is too much room to change one's attributes for that to be the case.</p><p></p><p>(EDIT: Oh and if they DID intend for a min of 16, then they really DID intend for races to be fundamentally tied to specific classes and archetypes.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scribe, post: 8380116, member: 6807152"] While I disagree with your conclusion, and that Humans for the baseline (how can they when they get +1 to all stats for a total of 6, while others get +2/+1 or some variation) this still does not show that mechanically there is an expectation. Standard Array - Fine. We can ignore that the rules as designed allow for other methods of Attribute score generation. Race? - Halfling. Just straight up PHB. Where do you put that 15? Well if I'm a Fighter, I have the option of going for a Dex build, and ending up at 17 (+3) or Str, and getting 15 (+2). Wait...we arent quibbling over a +1 still are we? Lets say instead then that this is how the game is designed, and that makes sense since its how the game was delivered from release in 2014 to at least Tasha's, so around 6 years. The only possible conclusion? [B]Wizard's intended for some PC options to be better/worse/different, when choosing different classes, and to have that difference reflected at level 1 with a difference of +1 on a primary attribute.[/B] There is no expectation of a 16, because there is no limiting of Class and Race options. You may choose whatever you like. Furthermore, there are rules straight out of the PHB which allow for different mechanism of Attribute generation. The 'fundamental math' of the game cannot possible have an expectation of 16, there is too much room to change one's attributes for that to be the case. (EDIT: Oh and if they DID intend for a min of 16, then they really DID intend for races to be fundamentally tied to specific classes and archetypes.) [/QUOTE]
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