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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8380443" data-attributes="member: 42856">I am wondering if ASIs have the same result when doing standard array and rolled stats.With standard array, you are sure to get a 15. You need the ASI to get to 16 or 17 (to set yourself up for a half-feat at level 4) and reach 20 at level 8 in all cases.With rolled and floating ASIs, your odds of starting with a 16 is 7,25%, 17 4,2% and 18 1,62%. If you only care for the main stat and can freely assign, one character in 10 will start with a 18+2 at level 1, one in four with a 19 and nearly half with get a 16+2. If one considers that 16 or 17 is the baseline for effectiveness, rolled stats have good chances of allowing it irrespective of how the racial ASIs are attributed. Starting with 20 isn't the boon it seems, since some excellent half-feat would lose a lot of their appeal. With racials ASIs, it is still possible to get a starting 17 in you main stat even if the racial ASI goes to another stat (though the odds are around 1 in 4).Since there is no way to have more than 20 and many want to have the ability to be "the best", I wonder if the whole ASIs debate wouldn't be less important if the point-buy allowed for scores up to 18 and standard array was replaced with heroic array 17, 16, 15, 14, 12, 10 ? And have more half-feats? I feel that the need to have floating ASIs is to be able to ensure the match of 15+2, because starting with 15 is perceived subpar. Maybe being less restrictive on the array would solve part of this problem?(Slight tengeant: after playing with standard array for a long time, I just started a new campaign (pitch: a Cannith branch endeavouring to restore Cannith's former greatness). We had been playing with standard arrays for a long time and this time a player asked to roll for stats, and we ended up, all the dragon-marked Cannith characters, with a very lucky rolling session (12, 16, 13, 17, 15, 13 and I wasn't even the luckiest). I must admit that I wasn't convinced of that "rolling stats will define your character" because I usually enjoy writing the backstory before creating the mechanical aspects of the character but in this case... with the good rolls, our Cannith branch really, and mechanically, think themselves as Cannith/Malfoy like. It was obvious because of the dragonmark, but the proof that in-breeding would create the best children... Not something that would have evolved with standard array. So I am convinced now that you can "roll with the rolls" (and the DM is struggling to balance things with the other players who preferred point buy...)</blockquote>

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