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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8381558" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Yes, they do. And passive discouragement can be as simple as encouraging the opposite. And oh look, that's exactly what they did. Encouraged the opposite, which passively discourages the other path. No need for them to state it anywhere, it is just a natural consequence.Uh huh, but they didn't do it to actively encourage dwarven wizards. It was at best an afterthought.And lo and behold, what number does every race including humans get in their prime stat by level 1? A 16 or a 17. The only way to get a 15 is to play against type. Something they certainly weren't encouraging people to do. Again, I'm not using the term to mean "the minimum viable number" or anything like that. Just the expected starting line. And that's a 16.Of course they are assuming you will take either a dex race or a human. And secondly, you immediately went against the guideline by putting your 15 in Charisma, the 15 is your highest, your highest score should be your dexterity. And look at who all can get this 16 in the PHB. Human, Elf, Gnome (forest gnome), Halfling, Half-Elf. All of whom are very much within type for rogues.Who can't? Dwarf, Half-orc, Dragonborn and Tiefling. Three of whom are against type for rogues. So, if they are encouraging you to play strong archetypes.... then you are going to be able to get that 16 dex.Dude... of course you are most likely to increase your dex, it is your primary stat. Yes, you are free to choose, but it doesn't take much to realize that a +1 to all your most important abilities is more valuable than a +1 to your least important abilities.And to get those two 15's you had to put one of them in either Intelligence or Wisdom, because Halflings can boost Charisma, Constitution or Dexterity. The 13, your third highest score, went into dexterity. So, you actually did exactly what I said you would do. Because if you put the 14 in dex (your second highest) then you would have a 16 after the +2. Like, it is kind of funny that you told me no, then did exactly what I said you would have to do to get those results.  The game isn't easy with a 16, so you are wrong.So.. you immediately had to specify you were building a mountain dwarf, because if I went with a hill dwarf cleric, I could get the ASI... So, dwarven clerics can get the 16 wisdom I said. So I'm still right. You are just trying to quibble that a subrace doesn't follow the typing exactly. And why would you play a Mountain Dwarf Cleric instead of a hill dwarf, you aren't gaining any benefits that are worth it.Animal biology covers multiple different species. No races. Human biology only covers humans. Both are still biology, they are just focused fields of study. And you do realize that there is no announcement of 6e right? That there is nothing more than fear mongering of what might happen in a version of the game that might never exist?</blockquote>

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