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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8382426" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Room for it, yes. But they obviously encouraged the class/race combos actively, and in such a way to make it mechanically worse to go against them. That is a clear incentive.People using magic in armor isn't against type though. Even in 3.5 when arcane spell failure was a big thing... they still had classes that used armor and used arcane magic, with rules to counter-act those rules and allow that type. Besides, I'm talking archetypical race/class combos, not every single thing that might be considered &quot;breaking type&quot; in the entire game. Only by putting their prime as their third highest stat. You know this, I've said it and proven it.No player I have ever helped build a character, when given a 15, 14, and 13 and told &quot;okay, now put your highest in dex&quot; picked the 13 because then after the +2 it was tied with their 15 and therefore the highest. You are being intentionally difficult here. This is obvious.No, you aren't. And the fact that your first instinct is to declare your superiority is telling.Clerics aren't in type for mountain dwarves, because literature and most games don't have mountain dwarves. It is for dwarves, and hill dwarves can. Therefore, dwarves can.Biology is Biology. Just as Calculus is Calculus.There is something wrong when the &quot;discussion&quot; is focused on how the game will be ruined, the apocalypse has come and it is only a matter of time. This isn't a reasoned debate, it is fearmongering.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8382426, member: 6801228"] Room for it, yes. But they obviously encouraged the class/race combos actively, and in such a way to make it mechanically worse to go against them. That is a clear incentive. People using magic in armor isn't against type though. Even in 3.5 when arcane spell failure was a big thing... they still had classes that used armor and used arcane magic, with rules to counter-act those rules and allow that type. Besides, I'm talking archetypical race/class combos, not every single thing that might be considered "breaking type" in the entire game. Only by putting their prime as their third highest stat. You know this, I've said it and proven it. No player I have ever helped build a character, when given a 15, 14, and 13 and told "okay, now put your highest in dex" picked the 13 because then after the +2 it was tied with their 15 and therefore the highest. You are being intentionally difficult here. This is obvious. No, you aren't. And the fact that your first instinct is to declare your superiority is telling. Clerics aren't in type for mountain dwarves, because literature and most games don't have mountain dwarves. It is for dwarves, and hill dwarves can. Therefore, dwarves can. Biology is Biology. Just as Calculus is Calculus. There is something wrong when the "discussion" is focused on how the game will be ruined, the apocalypse has come and it is only a matter of time. This isn't a reasoned debate, it is fearmongering. [/QUOTE]

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