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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8383648" data-attributes="member: 7032025">This is not what I'm saying, since the start, I have mentioned that there is a gradation in powergaming, with very mild cases and very extreme cases (but I'm pretty sure that you don't want to include munchkins in the equation, as it goes even beyond powergaming). What I would like you to realise is that they are all cases of powergaming. After that, on top of it, some people are really jerks about it, which is another matter entirely, as you can be a jerk in many different ways.And again, on this, I am speaking from experience and I suspect that you are not. I have started D&amp;D in 1978, and we were already really roleplaying at the time, almost as we are playing today. So no, it was not grafted over the game over time, it was there right at the start. Moreover, it's been more than 40 years for me, but more importantly (and again powergamers don't like this pointed out), it is the way all recent editions and in particular 5e are described by the designers. And 5e has been in existence for about 7 years now, so no, roleplaying is the basis and the intent of the game.You can also powerplay if you like, the game is broad enough for it, but I don't think that you will find a single proof that it was the intent of the game and in particular of that edition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8383648, member: 7032025"] This is not what I'm saying, since the start, I have mentioned that there is a gradation in powergaming, with very mild cases and very extreme cases (but I'm pretty sure that you don't want to include munchkins in the equation, as it goes even beyond powergaming). What I would like you to realise is that they are [U]all[/U] cases of powergaming. After that, on top of it, some people are really jerks about it, which is another matter entirely, as you can be a jerk in many different ways. And again, on this, I am speaking from experience and I suspect that you are not. I have started D&D in 1978, and we were already really roleplaying at the time, almost as we are playing today. So no, it was not grafted over the game over time, it was there right at the start. Moreover, it's been more than 40 years for me, but more importantly (and again powergamers don't like this pointed out), it is the way all recent editions [U]and in particular 5e[/U] are described by the designers. And 5e has been in existence for about 7 years now, so no, roleplaying is the basis and the intent of the game. You can also powerplay if you like, the game is broad enough for it, but I don't think that you will find a single proof that it was the intent of the game and in particular of that edition. [/QUOTE]

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