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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8383881" data-attributes="member: 7032025">I have no idea what you are speaking about.Then I am surprised that you are apparently just discovering things that have been obvious to absolutely every long time player that I've played with on 4 continents. And that from both reading the books (see below) and from experience in playing.It's interesting because I have the distinct impression that I'm the one being preached at for not understanding the ultimate light that Floating ASIs are for the game.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> And as the word of "role" at that time was certainly not defined as "job within the team", this is something that was used from 3e onwards.And it's easy to prove, if you like AD&D:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Introduction to the PH: "Get in the spirit of the game, and use your persona to play with a special personality all its own."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A fantasy role playing game is an exercise in imagination and personal creativity.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">As a role player, you become Falstaff the fighter. You know how strong, intelligent, wise, healthy, dexterous and, relatively speaking, how commanding a personality you have. Details as to your appearance, your body proportions, and your history can be produced by you or the Dungeon Master. You act out the game as this character, staying within your “god-given abilities”, and as molded by your philosophical and moral ethics (called alignment). You interact with your fellow role players, not as Jim and Bob and Mary who work at the office together, but as Falstaff the fighter, Angore the cleric, and Filmar, the mistress of magic!</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Each participant in the campaign created by the referee must create one or more game personas.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alignement, in the DMG: "It likewise causes a player character to choose an ethos which is appropriate to his or her profession, and alignment also aids players in the definition and role approach of their respective game personae."</li> </ul>Come on! It's all over the place !Yes, you did miss quite a bit, as I've pointed out earlier.I was not. Just to prove to you that you have probably been reading all these books wrong ever since they came out, even before AD&D, this is from the introduction of the Basic Set, the first that I had: "This is a role-playing game. That means that you will be like an actor, imagining that you are someone else, and pretending to be that character. You won’t need a stage, though, and you won’t need costumes or scripts. You only need to imagine... Later, when you play the game with others, you will all be playing different roles and talking together as if you were the characters. It will be easy, but first you need to get ready."Just because some players decided to play the game as an adventure/fighting game (probably the first powergamers, your direct ancestors ! I'm just joking here, OK? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />) does not mean that everyone did a partial reading of the rules.I DMed my very first game for my French friends after bringing my box back from the US where I had been to improve my english, and after reading the above, my friends all had their personae...Then I think there was a lot of selective reading done, see above.And see above, it might not have been for some tables, but I can assure you that it was ever true roleplaying in all the countries that I've gamed in.And as demonstrated above, you are wrong in this, it was in the rulebooks all along, right at the start where it should not have been missed.That being said, my apologies if I'm a little terse in my answers in general. I've never been a good teacher, and I'm more of the "be good, be brief, be gone" type of manager at work, so repeating things that are obvious like the above when people should probably know better makes me snappish. It's really good that you come to the discussion with an open and inquisitive mind, it's a great quality, I had noticed this and I'll try to take that into account for my next replies.</blockquote>

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