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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8385130" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>The combos aren't relevant to my issue. My issue is that they have the same 6 numbers.</p><p></p><p>My bad. I misspoke. It should have been pretty clear that an infant isn't born with the numbers in the array. It's pretty disingenuous to go down that road when you knew I was talking about PCs and the array.</p><p></p><p>16 for each stat is much different than the same 6 over and over and over.</p><p></p><p>And yet they don't all come out the same.</p><p></p><p>You do know that fighters aren't all trained at some school, right? There are no minimum standards. If you don't believe me, go read the PHB and see what the minimum strength or dexterity to be a fighter is. Is it 15? Is it 17? Or is it 3?</p><p></p><p>Oh, right. It's 3. Your prime stat to qualify to be a fighter ranges from 3-20. That's some minimum standard.</p><p></p><p>Pretty sure it's +4.</p><p></p><p>At some point you stop getting stronger through exercise. If you didn't, every fighter would just train to 20 at 1st level and then go adventuring.</p><p></p><p>Cool story. In D&D the primary dwarven archetypes for all dwarves(mountain and hill) are clerics and fighter. That hasn't changed.</p><p></p><p>It's not going to change. All the people who ran out to make good drow ranger loners after Drizzt didn't make that the new drow archetype.</p><p></p><p>Nah. You assume people are going to play gamist, rather than make a character to roleplay. It's not hard to get medium armor proficiency(<em>cough</em> mountain dwarf <em>cough</em>) with a feat or something, and many will just plain want a charisma bonus, because talking/preaching is a cleric thing to do. And while yes there will be some exceptional dwarves that are as graceful as the average elf, exceptional elves will still be more graceful.</p><p></p><p>Because the average elven PC will be more dexterous than the average dwarven PC, because race.</p><p></p><p>Nope. Extraordinary + elf = more dexterous on average than extraordinary + dwarf.</p><p></p><p>Who has argued that?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8385130, member: 23751"] The combos aren't relevant to my issue. My issue is that they have the same 6 numbers. My bad. I misspoke. It should have been pretty clear that an infant isn't born with the numbers in the array. It's pretty disingenuous to go down that road when you knew I was talking about PCs and the array. 16 for each stat is much different than the same 6 over and over and over. And yet they don't all come out the same. You do know that fighters aren't all trained at some school, right? There are no minimum standards. If you don't believe me, go read the PHB and see what the minimum strength or dexterity to be a fighter is. Is it 15? Is it 17? Or is it 3? Oh, right. It's 3. Your prime stat to qualify to be a fighter ranges from 3-20. That's some minimum standard. Pretty sure it's +4. At some point you stop getting stronger through exercise. If you didn't, every fighter would just train to 20 at 1st level and then go adventuring. Cool story. In D&D the primary dwarven archetypes for all dwarves(mountain and hill) are clerics and fighter. That hasn't changed. It's not going to change. All the people who ran out to make good drow ranger loners after Drizzt didn't make that the new drow archetype. Nah. You assume people are going to play gamist, rather than make a character to roleplay. It's not hard to get medium armor proficiency([I]cough[/I] mountain dwarf [I]cough[/I]) with a feat or something, and many will just plain want a charisma bonus, because talking/preaching is a cleric thing to do. And while yes there will be some exceptional dwarves that are as graceful as the average elf, exceptional elves will still be more graceful. Because the average elven PC will be more dexterous than the average dwarven PC, because race. Nope. Extraordinary + elf = more dexterous on average than extraordinary + dwarf. Who has argued that? [/QUOTE]
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