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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8386016" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>In 38 years of playing, I've never once seen two people at the table roll the same 6 numbers for stats.</p><p></p><p>I don't require people to play in my game. If someone opts to, they are accepting my house rules, which include no array. A player who accepts my house rules and then complains about it, that's a pretty large clue that they are a problem player. It violates the social contract.</p><p></p><p>No. I've seen 7-25(depending on edition and race) for Fighters, but you asked me about low stats, so that's what I answered. I've seen every number down to 3 if you aren't talking exclusively about fighters.</p><p></p><p>I've answered that number. You need to get away from this "potential" kick you're on. It has nothing to do with my issue.</p><p></p><p>You say that they must put the highest number(before bonuses) in strength as a fighter, then add the +2 for race in order to be baseline. That's advocating for fighters to be identical in strength at first level.</p><p></p><p>I'm saying that it's a necessary evil to allow. Justify it how you will or not. I have not made a declaration for how anyone does anything, let alone in all scenarios.</p><p></p><p>Poor Salvatore. Drizzt just forced him to make him the hero and took over. Authors never have any control over their characters. :sigh:</p><p></p><p>Regardless of any possible intent, and I have no desire to research it, Drizzt has never been the side character to anyone.</p><p></p><p>The goddes created for the Realms in the 70's, well before Drizzt was a twinkle in Salvatore's eye, yes. She was not put in the Realms for him. She was put in for herself and just added to D&D later when an opportunity showed up.</p><p></p><p>He want AGAINST the drow archetype, which is WHY he was so popular. The rebel is an archetype, though. So he was an archetype, just not a drow archetype.</p><p></p><p>I put forward an character concept that involved charisma. Your response was that maybe he wouldn't pick charisma just because someone else in the party might be better. That would be against that concept, as well as being stupid. You don't dump charisma just because there's a guy in the group who has a high charisma. That guy is not going to be able to do all the talking and your tanked stat will hurt the party in the long run.</p><p></p><p> Racial traits are based on the physicality or mental ability of the races in question. The lore makes that clear. But sure, I guess goliaths just learn culturally to be huge and strong. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8386016, member: 23751"] In 38 years of playing, I've never once seen two people at the table roll the same 6 numbers for stats. I don't require people to play in my game. If someone opts to, they are accepting my house rules, which include no array. A player who accepts my house rules and then complains about it, that's a pretty large clue that they are a problem player. It violates the social contract. No. I've seen 7-25(depending on edition and race) for Fighters, but you asked me about low stats, so that's what I answered. I've seen every number down to 3 if you aren't talking exclusively about fighters. I've answered that number. You need to get away from this "potential" kick you're on. It has nothing to do with my issue. You say that they must put the highest number(before bonuses) in strength as a fighter, then add the +2 for race in order to be baseline. That's advocating for fighters to be identical in strength at first level. I'm saying that it's a necessary evil to allow. Justify it how you will or not. I have not made a declaration for how anyone does anything, let alone in all scenarios. Poor Salvatore. Drizzt just forced him to make him the hero and took over. Authors never have any control over their characters. :sigh: Regardless of any possible intent, and I have no desire to research it, Drizzt has never been the side character to anyone. The goddes created for the Realms in the 70's, well before Drizzt was a twinkle in Salvatore's eye, yes. She was not put in the Realms for him. She was put in for herself and just added to D&D later when an opportunity showed up. He want AGAINST the drow archetype, which is WHY he was so popular. The rebel is an archetype, though. So he was an archetype, just not a drow archetype. I put forward an character concept that involved charisma. Your response was that maybe he wouldn't pick charisma just because someone else in the party might be better. That would be against that concept, as well as being stupid. You don't dump charisma just because there's a guy in the group who has a high charisma. That guy is not going to be able to do all the talking and your tanked stat will hurt the party in the long run. Racial traits are based on the physicality or mental ability of the races in question. The lore makes that clear. But sure, I guess goliaths just learn culturally to be huge and strong. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
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