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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8386858" data-attributes="member: 42856">I brought up the artificer cantrip example to support the point that using natural language didn't improve clarity or remove rules lawyering but shifted their modus operandi (instead of appealing to rules, it's an appeal to the dictionnary). Apparently, the point is now that players discussing whether an artificer can use this cantrip must be powergamers and not just genuinely wondering about the extent of their abilities. Which is kind of proving that use of natural language didn't stop these discussions or increase clarity.An alternative is the dreaded &quot;mother may I&quot; approach of asking the GM every time (because rulings can change at the DM's whim since there is no rule saying that they must be consistent, so maybe this horse will be a 10d10 even if the last one was a mere 3d10 one, so you'd better ask before doing anything remotely creative) that reminds me of even earlier editions. &quot;mother may I&quot; cropped up at my table at the beginning of 5e (after a few months , the situation got better, because players know my rulings collection so it's no longer a problem and being an horrible GM I actually try and make them consistent &quot;once and for all&quot; affairs within the same universe so they know what to expect from the game physics).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 8386858, member: 42856"] I brought up the artificer cantrip example to support the point that using natural language didn't improve clarity or remove rules lawyering but shifted their modus operandi (instead of appealing to rules, it's an appeal to the dictionnary). Apparently, the point is now that players discussing whether an artificer can use this cantrip must be powergamers and not just genuinely wondering about the extent of their abilities. Which is kind of proving that use of natural language didn't stop these discussions or increase clarity. An alternative is the dreaded "mother may I" approach of asking the GM every time (because rulings can change at the DM's whim since there is no rule saying that they must be consistent, so maybe this horse will be a 10d10 even if the last one was a mere 3d10 one, so you'd better ask before doing anything remotely creative) that reminds me of even earlier editions. "mother may I" cropped up at my table at the beginning of 5e (after a few months , the situation got better, because players know my rulings collection so it's no longer a problem and being an horrible GM I actually try and make them consistent "once and for all" affairs within the same universe so they know what to expect from the game physics). [/QUOTE]

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