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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8387215" data-attributes="member: 23751">Many have said it in threads here and on the D&D forum prior to its closing.That's just a justification for why they have taken control of your character like that(it's really not control of your character, just like setting the stat generation method isn't.).  I also have a justification for engaging in an identical level of control(it's not control).You are correct that the justifications are not the same, though, but since I wasn't equating those things it's not a False Equivalence. Your Strawman where you've fictionalized me arguing over the justifications is noted.As is the Necromancer bit.No one is entitled to different fun at the expense of my fun. Just like I'm not entitled to different fun at the expense of theirs.  If they come to my table, they should only do so if the rules at my table fit within their spectrum of enjoyment.  Same if I go to theirs.  At no point is any new player entitled to come into a game and expect it to change to suit their needs.Yep.  I allow halflings, gnomes, and other races that I personally don't like.  While I don't like them, it doesn't impact my enjoyment if others do.No.  If someone comes to my table wanting to use the standard array, which is far more unrealistic and will impact my enjoyment of the game I'm going to say no.  Whether they leave or not is up to them.  They just aren't going to be using an array. What I said is that if they aren't going to enjoy a game where they roll stats, they should find a different game where they can have enjoyment.  Typically, you've completely altered what I said and then argued against your fictionalization.  What was the word for that again. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":unsure:" title="Unsure    :unsure:"  data-smilie="24"data-shortname=":unsure:" />They had math. They would have known that a significant portion of PCs would not have a 16+ to start and would have accounted for it.I said rolling is more realistic. Bring up that the game does not say it is a red herring.  It's an irrelevant distraction.  It doesn't matter if the game says it or not.Realism is a spectrum with reality at the extreme end.  Nobody here is arguing for reality, so bring up the extreme end as some sort of refutation is at best wrong.  Rolling stats is more realistic than everyone having an array. That doesn't mean that rolling stats mirrors or tries to mirror what reality is.</blockquote>

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