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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8388416" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You don't get to remove relevance from my point where it does exist. The Justifications matter. Period. They do have bearing on the conversation. Period. Now that we are done "Period."-ing each other, Maybe we could have a conversation instead of you making demands on how the conversation has to go. Or you can refuse to engage further. But trying to forcefully limit me to only discussing the points you agree with is no conducive to anything.  Yes it is. Period.I'm speaking exactly to that. The thematic elements of character creation are not impacted by the choice of taking the standard array. Neither are the mechanical elements of character creation. The only impact is on the player, who is choosing to not have their character's stats randomly decided.I don't care what you call it. I'm tired of DM Entitlement. And then turning around and blasting players who try and stand up for something as simple as this. This isn't some mech-pilot in Dark Sun, this is just taking some static numbers instead of rolling. This shouldn't be anything for the DM to worrt about, let alone ban.And then 90% of people would be too powerful, and we are in the exact same position, but the game is unbalanced as well. Just like if they balanced around having a +0.How about I do you one better than a CEO saying they don't care about people. Here is a link to study:<a href="https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf</a>This study found that 31% of all laptops fail withing 3 years (that looks like 10%  year). Now, looking deeper into the synopsis, that is ~20% of it from hardware failure, which is a direct control of the company. ~10% is from accidents, which would be like randomly rolling dice and getting all 8's and 9's. Hewlett-Packard makes laptops. They are a major company. They aren't below the 16% reliability of Toshiba. Think the customers are happy when their laptop burns up and dies within a year or two? And that would account for at least 10% of the people who buy the laptop. Here is a similiar study for iphones. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.statista.com/statistics/804359/iphone-failure-rate-by-model-worldwide/[/URL]They covered a lot of models over many years, but we've got a range of failure rates. And, if you look, it keeps increasing, until the Iphone6 had a 26% failure rate.And here is something from Ford: <a href="https://repairpal.com/reliability/ford" target="_blank">Ford Reliability - 2021 Ratings | RepairPal</a>Some important lines "On average across all Ford models, 15% of repairs are considered severe. This compares to a probability of 12% for major issues across all models."12% probablity of major issues for all cars on the road.So, I don't really need a statement from the CEO saying that 10% mild unhappiness because you took a risk and it didn't pan out is acceptable. Because there is a 10% chance of your car, phone or comuter having a severe techinical malfunction, and those companies seem to be doing fine. Ford Tough and all that.Having a 20 at level 1 is a less than 10% chance from rolling (9.34) since half of all players don't roll according to our assumptions, we are looking at something like 5%. So, do you think they were willing to alter the official dnd stat rolls that have been used for 30 years over a 5% chance? I don't.And yes, there is some variannce around the line. That's obvious, that is how a power curve works. But they had to pick a center for that line, and that center wasn't (anything from 14 to 20). It can't be.Doesn't sound random, sounds too complex to compute. There is a difference. And it can't be a random spread of genetics, or we couldn't have genetic matching. Do we know beforehand which combination of genes will be present? No, because again, too complex to calculate and we don't have access to the proper data, but that doesn't make it random.Point buy was not made equal, not because it is mathematically not equal (as you showed it is) but because it offers far more control of the results. And, the standard and rolling are equivalent except for the one thing that makes them different. This isn't a spot the difference game, this is showing that they are largely equivalent in the way you are so concerned about.</blockquote>

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