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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8391981" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Charisma never was for physical beauty alone. Comeliness was added much later in the OA and shortly after the UA. It was so badly received that comeliness was dropped in subsequent editions.From the OD&D Moldvay BasicCharisma: "Charisma" is a combination of appearance, personal charm, and leadership ability. 1e added: Charisma is the measure of the character's combined physical attractiveness and personnal magnetism. A generally non beautiful character can have a very high charisma due to strong measures of the other two aspects of charisma. (the third aspect here is leadership, as charisma was very important for hirelings and henchmen).I should add, that my earlier comment on charisma was for 5ed only.</blockquote>